[Gnso-igo-ingo] REMINDER: Informal meeting about Red Cross Names at ICANN60
Heather Forrest
haforrestesq at gmail.com
Mon Oct 30 09:11:30 UTC 2017
Apologies in advance if I'm a few minutes late. We have a joint meeting of
the ccNSO and GNSO Councils ending at 13:30, as the informal Red Cross
discussion begins some distance away in the conference centre.
Best wishes,
Heather
On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> This note is just a reminder that an informal meeting at ICANN60, to
> continue the group’s discussions on principles and criteria for determining
> the finite list of Red Cross names, has been scheduled for tomorrow - *Monday
> 30 October, 13.30-14.30* Abu Dhabi time - in *Capital Suite 19*.
>
>
>
> If anyone was planning to call in rather than attend in person, please be
> so kind as to let staff know right away – as we mentioned, no AV facilities
> are being provided for these informal meetings but we will see what we can
> do to try to rig up something.
>
>
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> *From: *<ntfy-gnso-igo-ingo-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Terri Agnew <
> terri.agnew at icann.org>
> *Date: *Friday, October 27, 2017 at 10:45
> *To: *"ntfy-gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org" <ntfy-gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
> *Cc: *"gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Ntfy-gnso-igo-ingo] Meeting Invite: Informal meeting about
> Red Cross Names
>
>
>
> Hello again everyone,
>
>
>
> Having consulted with Thomas, and in view of the fact that people are
> already beginning to travel to Abu Dhabi as well as calendars that are
> filling up rapidly, we wish to confirm that the informal meeting to
> continue the discussion about principles and criteria for inclusion on a
> definitive list of protected Red Cross names will take place on *Monday
> 30 October, from 13.30-14.30 Abu Dhabi time, for 60 minutes in room:
> Capital Suite 19.*
>
>
>
> We will follow up with a calendar invitation shortly, as well as with
> further details as to the location at the meeting venue where this meeting
> will take place and the availability of a telephone connection. We hope
> those who indicated they are free at this time will still be able to
> attend, and that at least some of those who have not been able to fill in
> the survey will as well.
>
>
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> *From: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, October 23, 2017 at 11:10
> *To: *"gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Please FILL IN: Doodle poll for informal meeting in Abu Dhabi
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> In order to assist us with finding an appropriate time and day for the
> proposed informal meeting in Abu Dhabi, to continue discussion on the
> criteria and principles for the Red Cross names list, please be so kind as
> to fill out the Doodle poll on your availability (and to indicate if you
> are not going to be there in person so we can try to find a room with at
> least telephone functionality): https://icannorg.doodle.com/
> poll/w4xrnmw79a49u8mm[icannorg.doodle.com]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icannorg.doodle.com_poll_w4xrnmw79a49u8mm&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=zxOgpp9yxJBV08-Wn3jAotwxsRdrdPTUPzK4V4CJcZM&s=0tljxDgR1Sr77jqsZQ-wTdHJdvgdFmg9-zCvNYF39qE&e=>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> *From: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> *Date: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 17:35
> *To: *"gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Doodle poll for informal meeting in Abu Dhabi
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Please be so kind as to fill in this Doodle poll if you will be in Abu
> Dhabi and would like to attend an informal meeting to continue the
> discussions: https://icannorg.doodle.com/poll/w4xrnmw79a49u8mm[
> icannorg.doodle.com]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icannorg.doodle.com_poll_w4xrnmw79a49u8mm&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=zxOgpp9yxJBV08-Wn3jAotwxsRdrdPTUPzK4V4CJcZM&s=0tljxDgR1Sr77jqsZQ-wTdHJdvgdFmg9-zCvNYF39qE&e=>
>
>
>
> Please note the following:
>
> - At this stage, we are not able to secure a room that will have
> remote participation facilities. It is possible (though not guaranteed)
> that we can get a room with a telephone, in which case we may be able to
> offer dial-ins (audio only; there will not be any Adobe Connect
> functionality, recordings or transcripts).
> - As such, if you will not be in Abu Dhabi but wish to participate via
> telephone, feel free to go ahead and indicate your availability – but
> please put in a comment at the bottom of the poll so that we know you can
> only participate telephonically.
> - If we are able to find a slot that works for most members, staff
> will take notes at the meeting and report back to the full Working Group.
> As Thomas noted on our last call, this will be an informal meeting and
> therefore no decisions will be taken.
>
>
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
> *From: *Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 18:44
> *To: *"gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Action Items & Notes from the call today for the reconvened
> PDP Working Group on Red Cross names
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Here are the Action Items and Notes from the call that was held earlier
> today; as Julie has noted (below), the MP3 recording is already available.
> We will post it and the transcript (when available) to the Working Group
> wiki space noted in Julie’s message.
>
>
>
> ACTION ITEMS:
>
> - Staff to circulate Doodle poll for informal meeting in Abu Dhabi –
> as this proposed meeting will be informal, with no remote participation
> facilities available, no decisions will be made and the proceedings will be
> reported back to the full WG for further discussion.
>
>
>
> - Working Group to continue to discuss possible principles for
> determining what names go on the definitive list to be implemented – based
> on the initial suggestions from the Red Cross representatives and the notes
> of the discussion from today (see below).
>
>
>
> NOTES:
>
> - The original PDP recommendation related to the following Red Cross
> identifiers (termed “Scope 2 Identifiers” in the Working Group’s Final
> Report): 189 recognized National Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies;
> International Committee of the Red Cross; International Federation of Red
> Cross and Red Crescent Societies; ICRC, CICR, CICV, MKKK, IFRC, FICR
> (National Society names protected in English, as well as in their
> respective national languages; ICRC & IFRC identifiers protected in the 6
> United Nations languages).
>
>
>
> - The scope of this reconvened Working Group does not extend to
> considering acronyms - we have been tasked to consider the specific Red
> Cross names at issue.
>
>
>
> - The contents of the current list of Red Cross identifiers placed
> under interim reservation by the Board are likely to change once this
> Working Group’s proposals are accepted.
>
>
>
> Discussion of Possible Principles for Defining the Final List of Names:
>
>
>
> - For the International Movement - Full Match of the following, in the
> six official UN languages:
>
>
> - International Committee of the Red Cross
> - International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies
> - POSSIBLE ADDITION (also in UN6): International Red Cross and Red
> Crescent Movement? International Movement of the Red Cross and Red Crescent?
>
>
>
> - For the National Societies -
>
>
>
> - What is a "usual name" (as proposed by the Red Cross in Stephane’s
> most recent email)? This needs to be clarified and understood - is there a
> formal list? The Council's direction was for a specific and finite set of
> names, with specified limited variants.
>
>
>
> - One possibility is to limit the list to "official (full) names" - in
> their respective national language(s); however, the concept of "usual
> names" can be refined, e.g. "commonly used".
>
>
>
> - No objection to including "usual names" as long as the meaning is
> clearly understood, and there can be a finite list (Note: By "usual" name
> this is normally the Society name without the word "Society" without the
> addition of the article "The").
>
>
>
> - It may be clearer to use the phrase "official and commonly known
> names" instead; however, is there a way to ensure that this is specific
> enough i.e. a definitive list? Can we use something like the TMCH
> requirement of demonstrating "use"? Alternatively, for "commonly known",
> can we use the criteria in the additional draft principles suggested by the
> Red Cross?
>
>
>
> - Discussion to continue on this topic, and the additional suggested
> draft principles submitted by the Red Cross representatives.
>
>
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *<gnso-igo-ingo-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Julie Bisland <
> julie.bisland at icann.org>
> *Date: *Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 13:30
> *To: *"gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org" <gnso-igo-ingo at icann.org>
> *Cc: *"gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, Attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO
> Protections in all gTLDS PDP WG on Red Cross Names on 18 October 2017 at
> 13:00 UTC
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Please find the attendance attached, and the mp3, Adobe Connect recording
> and AC Chat below for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP
> Working Group on Red Cross Names held on Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at
> 13:00 UTC.
>
>
>
> *Mp3: *https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-18oct17-en.
> mp3[audio.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Digo-2Dingo-2D18oct17-2Den.mp3&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=MKLovqm99Bcyo3M6R6-5Rk8jmYiqRpfDUIDx3UZ1yOE&s=AHmRZjfSpV3WShYpmEzmT57nugpAru7iGHdqGj3xJy0&e=>
>
>
>
> *AC recording*: *https://participate.icann.org/p2ds5sxzy14/*
> <https://participate.icann.org/p2ds5sxzy14/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=ba32205baa7d5c6f9f2d022df27c77f6f8ad33f70eee561c5b2448cd9588aee0>
>
>
>
> The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO
> Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=V4NR9pnUrSchz3H14rCgrntbVt142KxPowPpNaRVgXE&s=LXjMogqsc8ZW_NI_uQrJ8_4IV1u4Vq3OGNA0M3NrsI0&e=>
>
>
>
> Mailing list archive: http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo/
>
>
>
> Agenda Wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/ApJEB[community.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ApJEB&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=MKLovqm99Bcyo3M6R6-5Rk8jmYiqRpfDUIDx3UZ1yOE&s=8LI9K2ixT-Z6zN6lGS-vFtAnv-6vzsWUuQFLtojapT8&e=>
>
>
>
> ** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Julie
>
> ———————————————
>
>
>
> *Adobe Connect chat transcript for **18 October 2017*
>
> Julie Bisland:Welcome to the Reconvened IGO INGO PDP Working Group on
> Red Cross names call on Wednesday, 18 October 2017 at 13:00 UTC
>
> Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.
> com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ApJEB&d=DwIFaQ&c=
> FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_
> UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=DHnvzmLiZnkKNwp9w_Pojudmg_tzTXk56wvVbesofKc&s=
> PkKRq7rvpVswCqS1Z8OzSBXvyU_wN_TKPT81ONssOGo&e=
>
> Thomas Rickert:HI alll, one moment , please!
>
> Osvaldo Novoa:hello all, I am in Brazil in a hotel with a very slow
> WiFi, so my access is somewhat limited
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):sorry - coming in late
>
> Mary Wong:No worries, Thomas - we're a team!
>
> Mary Wong:Here is the link from Berry's email:
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.
> icann.org_sites_default_files_packages_reserved-2Dnames_
> ReservedNames.xml&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6
> sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=
> DHnvzmLiZnkKNwp9w_Pojudmg_tzTXk56wvVbesofKc&s=0TUw0gqyJ7gxZDYPxmYhhigD-
> IcaRavoGRsd6maPCjs&e=
>
> Mary Wong:And note that these Red Cross names are reserved on an interim
> basis until the issue is resolved, which is what our reconvened WG has been
> tasked to try to do.
>
> Jeff Neuman:Just to confirm - the list at that link - is that the list
> of currently protected names, or the list they want protected
>
> Mary Wong:Current
>
> Julie Bisland:Stephane, you should be able to speak into phone, as it is
> unmuted
>
> Julie Bisland:maybe move on while the operator troubleshoots his line
>
> Mary Wong:@Jeff, it is possible that the final list will look somewhat
> different from what is at the current link.
>
> Hankins:Sorry for this please go ahead...
>
> Berry Cobb:@Jeff, the link is what is currently protected. The
> attached word doc was a list at a first attempt to reconcile the names.
>
> Berry Cobb:@Jeff, those acronyms and out of scope for this reconvened
> group.
>
> Berry Cobb:"are" not and
>
> Berry Cobb:Apologies to the WG. I have contractors directly behind me
> with too much noise to contribute via audio.
>
> Mary Wong:@Jeff, the list is currently what is (temporarily) reserved -
> that is why they are in the document marked up by Stephane and his team.
>
> Jeff Neuman:But acronymns are on both lists
>
> Jeff Neuman:both the list from Berry as well as the one from Stephane
>
> Mary Wong:At the moment, yes - b/c they were reserved per Board
> direction on an interim basis.
>
> Mary Wong:We only have that one list at the moment - we don't yet have a
> list FROM this group since we haven't agreed on the formula and criteria.
>
> Jeff Neuman:Under the GNSO policy that we passed, what is the list of
> names that would be protected. That is what I would like to see
>
> Jeff Neuman:not the ones that are currently protected by the Board
>
> Jeff Neuman:or the ones proposed
>
> Mary Wong:@Jeff - we don't have a full list of those, with their DNS
> labels and language variants - since those were NOT adopted by the Board
> (hence our work here in this group), and so have NOT moved into
> implementation.
>
> Jeff Neuman:Thanks Mary, I have my hand raised
>
> Jeff Neuman:to discuss
>
> Mary Wong:You're welcome! So, basically all we have as an implementable
> list (which is what is on screen here) is the list of a few RC identifiers
> that were approved under the original PDP (Page 1), and the rest of the
> list is the TEMPORARY reserved list (which is why acronyms are included,
> but which is NOT expected to be the final list coming out of our work).
> Hopefully that helps.
>
> Julie Bisland:reminder: please mute
>
> Mary Wong:Stephane also had a number of comments and specific questions
> in his email that we have not extracted for this document, but we have them
> ready for discussion if needed.
>
> Berry Cobb:I'd just like to point out that the use of "hypens" is a part
> of that algrorithm when we convert the formal names. So that is automatic
> in that regard.
>
> Mary Wong:I believe Stephane is referring to this part of his email:
> "Names already included by the Board in the list of reserved names such as
> “magen david adom”, “red star of david”, but also “international red cross
> and red crescent movement” in the 6 UN languages (that is the Statutory
> name endorsed by the States), etc. "
>
> Mary Wong:Done, Thomas
>
> Jeff Neuman:So, adding the word "movement" to all of them?
>
> Jeff Neuman:So long as we are just talking in terms of full names and
> not abbreviations, I guess no issues
>
> Hankins:Mary - I am referring to the name "International Movement of the
> Red Cross and Red Crescent", that is the statutory name of the Movement /
> endorsed by States
>
> Jeff Neuman:internationalredandcrossredcrescentmovement (Is that more
> than 63 characters?)
>
> Berry Cobb:63 Char issues will be an output of the algorithm. This
> discussion is about which formal designations will be reservered.
>
> Berry Cobb:Should they be >63, they will not be added to any future
> reserved list
>
> Jeff Neuman:internationalmovementoftheredcrossandredcrescent.TLD
>
> Jeff Neuman:I hear you Berry....I just like to visualize
>
> Jeff Neuman:Lets just make sure we are really precise in the principle
>
> Berry Cobb:Time check - 15 minutes.
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):We need to protect usual names - although
> this is a criterion it would take form of a finite number of names pursuant
> to the list produced by the ICRC
>
> Mason Cole:Thomas, should it be defined as the official "full" name for
> avoidance of doubt?
>
> Osvaldo Novoa:Sorry, I have to leave now. I will read the transcript.
> Best regards.
>
> Thomas Rickert:bye Osvaldo
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Jeff: I will leave that to Stephane -but
> we should avoid a chicken and egg problem as in the end the criterion will
> be complemented with a finite list the way I understand this effort
>
> Jeff Neuman:Right....so if the official name is "American National Red
> Cross", but the "usual name" is "American Red Cross", I think that is
> fine.
>
> Jeff Neuman:Can we change "usual" to "commonly known"
>
> Mary Wong:I've tried to capture all this in the chat, Jeff
>
> Mary Wong:Notes, I mean, sorry
>
> Jeff Neuman:I think there is yes
>
> Mary Wong:We will need a specific list to implement - possibly with a
> clear formula to update, but it can't be open ended.
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I feel staff would need to rely on the
> info offered by the ICRC, which I presume will be reasonably limited
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):the burden on the ICRC should be
> proportionate and reasonable
>
> Jeff Neuman:Jorge - I am not saying this is a huge burden. If it is a
> "usual" name, then how hard would it be to point to examples
>
> Jeff Neuman:In other words...for American Red Cross, you just have to
> say "look at Redcross.org"
>
> Jeff Neuman:That's not a burden
>
> Jeff Neuman:For British Red Cross, look at "https://urldefense.
> proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.redcross.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=
> FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=QiF-05YzARosRvTYd84AB_
> UYInlydmFcjNmBM5XgySw&m=DHnvzmLiZnkKNwp9w_Pojudmg_tzTXk56wvVbesofKc&s=
> Cb5hm62h1TcOFv89K6d-VqEqVWLDkWf6Q-sRO_k-wrw&e="
>
> Mary Wong:From the staff side, we request that ICANN not be placed in
> the position of making decisions as to what goes and what does not go on
> the list.
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Thomas: if you invite us for a good
> coffee, I'll be there ;-)
>
> Mary Wong:We will send a Doodle poll if that is beetter
>
> Jeff Neuman:Mary - using the examples I provided, I think we can both
> affirmatively state that ICANN wil not be in tough position
>
> Jeff Neuman:But if the Board wants us to revise out policies, staff
> should be willing to take on additional responsibilities
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):we have to balance trust and burden of
> proof...
>
> Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks all and bye!
>
> avri doria:bye
>
>
>
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