[Gnso-igo-ingo] Recordings, Attendance & AC Chat for IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDS PDP WG on Red Cross Names on 7 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC

Thu Sep 7 16:29:36 UTC 2017

Dear all,

Please find the attendance attached, and the mp3, Adobe Connect recording and AC Chat below for the reconvened IGO-INGO Protections in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Red Cross Names held on Thursday, 7 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC.

Mp3:    http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-igo-ingo-07sep17-en.mp3

AC recording:   https://participate.icann.org/p4s9tsrbo86/<https://participate.icann.org/p4s9tsrbo86/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=896f95e112d5b2ad970b1707c78a92e32c31a519668cb24ab5f98f198fe83a56>

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=V4NR9pnUrSchz3H14rCgrntbVt142KxPowPpNaRVgXE&s=LXjMogqsc8ZW_NI_uQrJ8_4IV1u4Vq3OGNA0M3NrsI0&e=>

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Thank you.

Kind regards,

Nathalie

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Adobe Connect chat transcript for 7 September 2017
 Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the IGO INGO PDP Working Group on Red Cross names on Thursday, 7 September 2017 at 14:00 UTC
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):Hi all!
  Ken Stubbs - Afilias:hurricane hitting st.maarten yesterday  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.mahobeachcam.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=0hfghadcHqoYTc-J7Ul14pj1Yp8REzbpti89XJnbqew&s=_tGT7vmh8kVFGOrIap5ws1XTIsgJpHUTANVonL4AFZ0&e=
  Nathalie Peregrine:Stephane Hankins has joined the audio bridge
  Mary Wong:We can put up the language from the Convention on the screen, if that is helpful.
  Mary Wong:The relevant Articles that the Red Cross representatives also spoke to on the last call, and followed up on email, is on Page 3.
  Greg Shatan:Very good point Heather about what needs to go to Council.  Council is not a rubber stamp either.  But it needs a succinct briefing that allows Council to exercise their judgment.
  Heather Forrest:I anticipate that if Council does not receive a comprehensible rationale for this group's recommendations, it will send the recommendations back with a request for more information. Let's prevent that from happening.
  Ken Stubbs - Afilias:cant we use the agree button
  Mary Wong:Here is the list of Red Cross National Society names currently under interim reservation: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_sites_default_files_packages_reserved-2Dnames_ReservedNames.xml-23red-2Dcross-2Dinternational&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=0hfghadcHqoYTc-J7Ul14pj1Yp8REzbpti89XJnbqew&s=kPRAc3PhktP-CGByAPrGANju9ZDhYjSTjaoT5jHCcP0&e=
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):Thanks, Mary!
  Heather Forrest:Indeed this list must be finite and every possible punctuation/misspelling variation cannot possibly be captured
  Heather Forrest:I note that "spr" and "frk" are on the list - these are acronyms (I presume) and thus cannot be part of our consideration
  Mary Wong:The AC screen shows you a snapshot of the list - to illustrate Thomas' point about the various forms of each National Society name.
  Greg Shatan:How many strings are on this list?
  Greg Shatan:I see mkkk as another acronym.
  Mary Wong:Note that acronyms are NOT part of the scope of the work of this group - we have been tasked to only consider the names.
  Greg Shatan:We need a list without the acronyms, then.
  Mary Wong:The list includes acronyms for now because the Board resolution included acronyms as part of the INTERIM reservation.
  Mary Wong:@Greg, yes
  Heather Forrest:+1 Greg. As per Mary's comment, acronyms are not within our scope
  Mary Wong:There is no request for reservation of Red Cross acronyms on the table - and the GAC did not ask for this either (for RC acronyms).
  Greg Shatan:I don't see CIRC on the list.  Am I missing something?
  Heather Forrest:We need clarification for the non-ASCII scripts to ensure these are not acronyms
  Greg Shatan:How did the temporary block pick the acronyms out of this list?
  Greg Shatan:i.e., only to apply the names.
  Greg Shatan:If acronyms are off the table, they need to be. out of the table as well.
  Mary Wong:The acronyms remain an outstanding issue to be resolved separately from this Working Group's scope.
  Mary Wong:The Scope 2 language Berry is mentioning has been pasted into the Notes pod on the right
  Heather Forrest:Given that this list on the screen was developed by staff, can we have access to the original list as provided by ICRC?
  Greg Shatan:Barbados is an English language country....
  Chuck Gomes:Can we have scroll control?
  Mary Wong:@Heather, @Greg, we will try to locate the list from the Red Cross. Please give us a moment.
  Nathalie Peregrine:@Chuck, enabled.
  Chuck Gomes:Thanks
  Heather Forrest:No rush, Mary, and thanks
  Chuck Gomes:I suggest that we don't spend time debating variations that are non-controversial such as with or without the article 'the'.
  Mary Wong:The GAC request in relation to language: "in English and the official languages of their respective states of origin".
  Heather Forrest:Picking up on Stephane's point just now, I believe that whatever criteria we establish, we should apply them consistently throughout the entire list
  Thomas Rickert:general formular for the composition of blocked strings: 1. names of the society- official version- version the societies are known by2. With and without hyphen3. Inclusion of the article4. Inclusion or not of the word „society“
  Thomas Rickert:official language(s) of the country of origin of the society + EN
  Chuck Gomes:In some cases there be more than one offical language.
  Chuck Gomes:So the (s) is important in 'language(s)'.
  Ken Stubbs - Afilias:cannot agree with acronym request !
  Chuck Gomes:We are not considering acronyms.
  Chuck Gomes:I like Thomas's suggested criteria.
  Greg Shatan:Does this mean that each national society generates at least 8 strings, assuming English language only?
  Ken Stubbs - Afilias:+1 chuck..   no mention of acronyms in our documents other than acronyms were not considered as they were out of scope for our group
  Greg Shatan:And 8 for each other language, assuming use of articles?
  Berry Cobb:Here is the orginal list that was used later to help build what is in Spec 5 today.  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_igo-2Dingo-2Dfinal-2Drcrc-2Dscope-2Dnames-2D10nov13-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=0hfghadcHqoYTc-J7Ul14pj1Yp8REzbpti89XJnbqew&s=XxvM5f4ZGl7TuKI1fOSKYBHXbCSaTM8YHGeuN-22pHs&e=
  Heather Forrest:Helpful, Berry, thank you
  Greg Shatan:I think it's important to understand that when we throw around the number 190, that is not anywhere close to the number of blocked strings....
  Greg Shatan:@Chuck, I think that's what RPMs are for.
  Berry Cobb:It is also complicated in that some society names submitted exceed 63 charachters when converted to DNS Labels.  Also a few of the society names that were in this list were only images, and staff could not generate a DNS label from it.  Lastly, society names submitted in not latin charachter, were converted to IDN u-labels
  Berry Cobb:sorry IDN a-labels
  Stephane Hankins:Mary - to be added variations of names with or without the word "Society".
  Heather Forrest:+1 Greg - what we are considering here is not the only avenue of protection available
  Mary Wong:@Stephane, thank you - I've updated the notes
  Greg Shatan:UDRP should be available in many of those cases, Chuck.
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I feel that as long as we have a defined list of protected names with a finite list of variations we should go this way...
  Mary Wong:All, here is the pertinent part of the GNSO Council's request, regarding the scope of names: "an exact match of the full name of the relevant National Society recognized within the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement (in English and the official languages of its state of origin), the full names of the International Committee of the Red Cross and of the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (in the six official United Nations languages) and a defined limited set of variations of these names".
  Chuck Gomes:Thanks Thomas.
  Greg Shatan:"Variations" should be dealt with in the curative rights arena (and PDP).
  Heather Forrest:again this precise point is not within our scope. There is an existing PDP on this topic
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):The GNSO Resolution is clear that we have as our task to also look ar a defined limited set of variations of these names
  Mary Wong:@Jorge, yes, exactly. Which means that any variant that is NOT on the defined limited set of names will need to be dealt with by curative rights processes.
  Greg Shatan:The defined limited set of variations is covered by the presence or not of "the" and "society".  Variations are not "imitations."
  Greg Shatan:We will need to see the real list of strings in advance and not the mish-mash that is on the Spec 5 list.
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):@Thomas/staff: please circulate this plan (you are just explaining) in writing - it would help to keep up :-)
  Mary Wong:@Jorge, we will do that.
  Heather Forrest:Excellent progress and leadership, Thomas.
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):+1 Heather
  Greg Shatan:Sounds like a plan, Thomas.
  Heather Forrest:No objections, it's 1am here
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):I'm sure ICANN staff can help very much in developing the list :-)
  Greg Shatan:I thought we had 3 years....
  Mary Wong:If we may, staff would like to note for the record that Stephane and his colleagues have, as he has mentioned, kindly offered previously to work with us to develop a clean, more updated list.
  Mary Wong:From the ICANN side, we can only work with the lists that we have been provided with.
  Greg Shatan:From the WG side as well, Mary!
  Heather Forrest:Thanks Thomas
  Greg Shatan:Thank you, Thomas and all!
  Jorge Cancio (GAC Switzerland):thanks Thomas and all, bye!

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