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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">While we respect that different members of the WG have different opinions regarding “fairness”, we categorically disagree with the characterisation of a Respondent
choosing whether to go to court or arbitration as “not a fair choice.” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It is also not fair that IGOs are currently without recourse to address abuse of their identifiers in the DNS, whereby not only IGOs, but potentially defrauded Internet
users/private citizens pay the price. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">It is also not clear what fairness is represented in a proposed scheme that would give a party an additional opportunity to have its case heard after losing both
in a UDRP case and in court. This proposal also overlooks observed behavior that appeals themselves can beget a form of gaming: </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Famc%2Fen%2Fdocs%2Ficann090409.pdf&data=04%7C01%7CAlexandra.EXCOFFIER-NOSOV%40oecd.org%7Cfb4c1d5a08d04bcde27f08d958ecf42d%7Cac41c7d41f61460db0f4fc925a2b471c%7C0%7C1%7C637638597006695391%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=xarBzooSjEnaxpDbj9BVHh8Fn%2BAlZpdBgLFVw5Rt4Hc%3D&reserved=0">https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/docs/icann090409.pdf</a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">.
And these several levels of “appeals” clearly benefit those with deep pockets who can afford to spend years and hundreds of thousands in court and then again in an arbitral process, while the offending website continues to function. How is that fair?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">There are considerations of legal certainty and economic efficiency that need to be taken into account that derive from both parties knowing
<i>ex ante</i> what the process will be and this is certainly “fair” to all. The advantages of arbitration over courts and the various procedural and substantive complexities and time and costs they engender, have been well-explained by IGOs as well as by the
US Government representative to the WG, and the circuitous proposal simply chooses to ignore these realities. It also chooses to ignore that arbitration is a well-accepted means of resolving disputes globally (including in registrar-registrant contracts,
and in ICANN’s own RA). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Such considerations are expressed quite well in UK case law where the final court to pronounce itself on the matter ([2012] EWHC 517 (Ch)) stated that: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“Looking at the scheme as a whole [DRS (like UDRP) + internal appeals], it was apparently intended to create a self-contained dispute
resolution mechanism which is closely regulated, cheap, quick and (apparently) efficient. To add a parallel route of applying to court (which I fear would not always attract all those adjectives) would be inimical to the apparent intention of the parties.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This proposal also reflects a very US centric view of the world, while the issue is one of global application. It also ignores the realities of how IGO privileges
and immunities work in practice. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In short, we submit that this proposal misses the bigger picture and indeed the task this WG has set out to solve. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We remain hopeful that WG members, and indeed potential case parties would yet see the efficiencies in an arbitral appeal without the need to resort to costly and
time-consuming court options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Chapman via gnso-igo-wt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 05 August, 2021 11:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] Following up on action items from the IGO Work Track's 2 August call<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, Mary and Staff, and hello, everyone. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I appreciate the opportunity. For clarity and focus, I narrowed the bullet points to the following: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:13.5pt">Following the UDRP of a winning IGO Complainant, the current proposal - that a losing Respondent must choose between going to court or agreeing to arbitration - is not a fair choice. This is why: Per the current proposal, should
the Respondent choose to go to court, and the court dismisses the case on non-substantive (i.e., jurisdictional) grounds, the current proposal would bar the Respondent from accessing and utilizing the arbitration mechanism to seek substantive, merit-based
relief. This is especially impactful to Respondents when considering the corresponding proposal to remove the Mutual Jurisdiction Requirement for IGOs. Such a configuration would seem to unfairly coerce losing Respondents to “choose" arbitration, otherwise
risking that the Respondent could be left without a remedy. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:13.5pt">While the UDRP has been and is successful in thwarting bad actors, there have been and are controversial UDRP decisions that have resulted in domain names being canceled or transferred away from legitimate, good faith Respondents
(businesses, organizations, as well as individuals). These legitimate, good faith Respondents have and do rely on the due process protections that a court provides, such as the ability to appeal and other built-in checks and balances, to ensure fairness. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:13.5pt">In the original IGO/INGO PDP Working Group, there had been a proposal that the option to arbitrate remains available after there has been a judicial proceeding in which the court finds that the IGO is jurisdictionally immune.
This preserves the ability to obtain a substantive decision on the merits of a Respondent's case, should the immunity question be decided in favor of the IGO Complainant. This proposal does not alter the opportunity for the parties to agree to go straight
to arbitration, nor does it affect the ability of a Respondent who has no cause of action in their (or their registrar's) jurisdiction from choosing to go straight to arbitration. </span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Again, thank you. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Jay Chapman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 1:58 PM Mary Wong via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Staff had two action items from this past Monday’s IGO Work Track call: (1) to provide a summary of the concerns that Jay Chapman, on behalf of the BC, had expressed
on the call; and (2) to update the draft recommendations document based on suggestions and discussions during the call. We’ve completed both items, as further described below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span lang="EN-US">On action item (1)</span></u><span lang="EN-US">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Jay’s intervention was based on the GNSO Council’s directions when creating the Work Track; i.e., address the issues with the original IGO-INGO Access to Curative
Rights PDP’s Recommendation #5 by finding a solution that recognizes IGO immunities and privileges while preserving a registrant’s right and ability to have a UDRP panel decision reviewed on the merits. As requested, here is the summary of the concerns Jay
outlined on the call – Jay and others, please let us know if this is not accurate:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Removing the requirement for an IGO Complainant to agree to submit to a Mutual Jurisdiction when filing a UDRP complaint results in a “false choice” for a losing registrant as between going to court and agreeing to arbitration. By removing
the Mutual Jurisdiction requirement for IGOs, a registrant is essentially left without a remedy should a court rule that it cannot hear the case due to the IGO’s having immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">There have been controversial UDRP decisions and cases of reverse domain name hijacking (RDNH) that have resulted in domain names being canceled or transferred away from legitimate, good faith registrants. Registrants rely on the due process
protections that a court provides, such as the ability to appeal and other built-in checks and balances, to ensure fairness.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">The current Work Track proposal allows an IGO Complainant to select the forum (staff note: presumably, by selecting the UDRP dispute resolution provider to file its case with) and have the proceeding decided by panelist(s) who are almost
exclusively trademark practitioners. Requiring the registrant to choose between arbitration and going to court in these circumstances would appear to be the kind of situation that a judge may wish to review (in the absence of the immunity issue). <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-US">In the original PDP Working Group, there had been a suggestion that the option to arbitrate remains available after there has been a judicial proceeding in which the court finds that the IGO is jurisdictionally immune. This alternative seems
to preserve the ability to obtain a substantive decision on the merits of a registrant’s case, should the immunity question be decided in favor of the IGO Complainant.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span lang="EN-US">On action item (2)</span></u><span lang="EN-US">:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Staff has updated the group’s working document:
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU/view?usp=sharing</a>. I’m also attaching a Word version in case you are not able to access or view the Google Doc. Since the Google Doc now contains comments and redlined updates from the past
two weeks, it may be somewhat difficult to read. For your convenient reference, you will find the additions and edits made by staff as a result of Monday’s call toward the bottom of Page 3 and continuing on Page 4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks and cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Steve, Berry & Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Berry Cobb via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Berry Cobb <<a href="mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org" target="_blank">Berry.Cobb@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-igo-wt] Agenda RPM - IGO Curative Rights Work Track for 2 Aug 2021 15:00 UTC Meeting</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear RPM - IGO Curative Rights Work Track,<br>
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Please see below the proposed agenda for the meeting scheduled on <b>2 Aug 2021 15:00 </b>UTC.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">Welcome & Chair updates (Chair) (10 minutes)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
<span lang="EN-US">Continued Discussion of Working Proposal (70 minutes)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<span lang="EN-US">Link to Proposed Recommendations Doc: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU%2Fedit&data=04%7C01%7CAlexandra.EXCOFFIER-NOSOV%40oecd.org%7C13c7adad21474656119408d958565b0c%7Cac41c7d41f61460db0f4fc925a2b471c%7C0%7C0%7C637637950186252204%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=xn1Rf4gZqx7OrZ1kORcYz5ctrTiaKs61kDIMrEjn7iI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU/edit</a>
(PDF attached)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-US">Next steps & closing (5 minutes)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
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<span lang="EN-US">Next meeting 09 August 2021 @ 15:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Action Items:</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian to add his proposed redlines to the Google doc - COMPLETE - Note, staff created the next version in a new google doc, link provided above. The old version has been closed.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff to prepare next draft of working proposal - IN PROGRESS - Staff awaits Brian's action to be completed.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Staff to update flowchart - COMPLETE; Updated chart added to google doc, and also attached here.</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian to propose edits Rec #2 regarding selection of law for arbitration - IN PROGRESS</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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Sincerely,<br>
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GNSO Policy Staff</span><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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