<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Thank you all for your comments and suggestions.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I believe that we have made significant progress and are currently not on the same page as a group in respect to only 2 issues:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. Whether a registrant can go to court without losing the right to arbitration if the court finds the IGO immune from its jurisdiction and </div><div class="">2. Whether the choice of law for the arbitration should be up to the arbitrators if the parties cannot agree. <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A key part of the process of a WT or a PDP is to go out to public comment with an initial report. In doing so, I do not believe that it is an issue to include, as bracketed text, suggestions that do not have consensus and request input from the community on those.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Could we therefore include wording on 1 and 2 in brackets in our initial report with explanatory text that some members of the WT disagree with the suggestions? It may be that constructive comments arising from the public comment period will be helpful in bringing us all to an agreed way forward. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I look forward to discussing this with you all later today.<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Aug 2021, at 21:33, Yrjö Länsipuro via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Dear all,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another personal view,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">From an end-user perspective, the most important issue at stake here is end-user confusion, with potentially fatal consequenses, in case off fraudulent use of an IGO acronym. A clear and rapid mechanism needs to be set up, at long last, to deal with such situations. Until Monday, it seemed that we were advancing towards a pragmatic solution that all parties could live with and that would recognize fundamental facts if life like the status of intergovernmental organisations. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As a non-lawyer, I might not see all the fine points, but I wonder why a losing registrant would want to spend money and effort just in order to be told by a court that an IGO has immunity, instead of following the procedure outlined in the proposed Recommendation 2. Nevertheless, I hope that work continues to reconcile Jay’s bullet #3 (which I think refers to Option 3 for Resolution 5, something that unfortunately was rejected by the<font face="Arial" class=""> original IGO/INGO PDP Working Group) and our proposed Rec 2. We can’t afford to kick the can down the road to yet another PDP.</font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class="">Best,</font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><br class=""></font></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class="">Yrjö</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div class=""><div class="" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;"><div class=""><font face="Arial" class=""><br class=""></font></div></div></div></div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:27, David Satola via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Jeff,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> Also in my personal capacity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> Agree in part and disagree in part. Where I agree is that if this goes to court in the US, there will probably a resolution that will then apply in the US
(and for the World Bank, I’m pretty sure how it would go).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> The problem is of course (and this is where I disagree), a registrant can be from anywhere. Additionally, for each registrant, they will only have to go through
this process once. For the IGO, we have to be vigilant across the globe. The last time we checked formally, there about 230 squatters on various combinations of the World Bank domain. The numbers for IGOs are not trivial. So for the registrant, yes, there
may be one case in a jurisdiction that sets precedent. For the IGOs, we may have to go through the same process in multiple jurisdictions with potentially different outcomes. That is a material omission in Jay’s proposal.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> Bests<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Neuman via gnso-igo-wt<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, August 06, 2021 1:26 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> BECKHAM Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" class="">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] Following up on action items from the IGO Work Track's 2 August call<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">The following is my personal view and not in my official capacity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">The issue (as I see it) is that this is all untested and once it is tested, I believe the issue that IGOs are worried about is likely to happen only that once or twice. In
other words a Court (at least in the US) has never had to examine the issue of IGO jurisdictional immunity in the context of a UDRP-based action filed by a registrant where an IGO has NOT consented to mutual jurisdiction. Once it does, that will likely be
the only time where a registrant may be able to do both (go to court AND arbitration). Why?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">If a Registrant loses a UDRP against an IGO and decides to challenge it in court, the IGO will likely raise the issue
of jurisdictional immunity. If the case is dismissed for lack of jurisdiction (and ultimately upheld), then I can’t think of any reason why future registrants in this position would want to waste its money in trying to go to court to face the same outcome.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">If a registrant loses the UDRP, AND is able to get jurisdiction over the IGO despite the IGO’s arguments of jurisdictional
immunity, however, then Registrants will likely choose either the Court option OR the Arbitration option. But in either case, the action will be decided on the merits (which is what I understood Jay’s main concern was).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">So at the end of the day, if we went with Jay’s proposal of allowing a Registrant to go to arbitration IF a case is dismissed due to lack of jurisdiction, in the long run,
aren’t we really only dealing with one or two possible examples where the concerns expressed by the IGOs would happen?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">At the end of the day, the purpose of this group was to (a) come up with a way whereby the IGOs would not have to consent to Mutual Jurisdiction as a condition to filing a
UDRP, and (b) ensuring that Registrants who lose a UDRP still have the right to a re-hearing decided on the merits.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Jay’s proposal checks of both boxes and accomplished our mission. Yes, in the short term we may have to deal with some inefficiencies until this is tested in the judicial
arena. But it also allows the courts to test out what has not been tested before. Other than some short term additional costs (for both Registrants and IGOs), why is this not a win?
<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">Again, this is being presented in my personal capacity.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>BECKHAM Brian via gnso-igo-wt<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, August 6, 2021 12:36 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] Following up on action items from the IGO Work Track's 2 August call<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Thanks Alex, and dear all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">I would like to offer an observation: in the context of Phase 2a work, several topics were called out for professionally mediated calls; they have not been recorded.
<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">And this is not to say we have not had useful and cordial conversations in our own WT, but it is a rather a chance for fresh outside perspective to assist, and it seems to have
been well received in that WG.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">In particular noting the second bullet set out by Jay below (not to exclude other points), and the points raised by Alex, personally I feel this topic could be a good candidate
for a similar attempt at bridging some understandings.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">For your consideration.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Brian <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Alexandra.EXCOFFIER-NOSOV--- via gnso-igo-wt<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Friday, August 6, 2021 5:50 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] Following up on action items from the IGO Work Track's 2 August call<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Dear all,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">While we respect that different members of the WG have different opinions regarding “fairness”, we categorically disagree with the characterisation of a Respondent choosing whether
to go to court or arbitration as “not a fair choice.” <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">It is also not fair that IGOs are currently without recourse to address abuse of their identifiers in the DNS, whereby not only IGOs, but potentially defrauded Internet users/private
citizens pay the price. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">It is also not clear what fairness is represented in a proposed scheme that would give a party an additional opportunity to have its case heard after losing both in a UDRP case
and in court. This proposal also overlooks observed behavior that appeals themselves can beget a form of gaming: </span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Famc%2Fen%2Fdocs%2Ficann090409.pdf&data=04%7C01%7Cdsatola%40worldbank.org%7C064553de60f9420f715c08d958ff5cf8%7C31a2fec0266b4c67b56e2796d8f59c36%7C0%7C0%7C637638678055186715%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=B1lZ5F7UlP2xF0oveNLaFwkP%2BTb3aJ5XmXOCJBVKGmI%3D&reserved=0" class="">https://www.wipo.int/amc/en/docs/icann090409.pdf</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">.
And these several levels of “appeals” clearly benefit those with deep pockets who can afford to spend years and hundreds of thousands in court and then again in an arbitral process, while the offending website continues to function. How is that fair?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">There are considerations of legal certainty and economic efficiency that need to be taken into account that derive from both parties knowing
<i class="">ex ante</i> what the process will be and this is certainly “fair” to all. The advantages of arbitration over courts and the various procedural and substantive complexities and time and costs they engender, have been well-explained by IGOs as well as by the
US Government representative to the WG, and the circuitous proposal simply chooses to ignore these realities. It also chooses to ignore that arbitration is a well-accepted means of resolving disputes globally (including in registrar-registrant contracts,
and in ICANN’s own RA). <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Such considerations are expressed quite well in UK case law where the final court to pronounce itself on the matter ([2012] EWHC 517 (Ch)) stated that: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">“Looking at the scheme as a whole [DRS (like UDRP) + internal appeals], it was apparently intended to create a self-contained dispute resolution mechanism
which is closely regulated, cheap, quick and (apparently) efficient. To add a parallel route of applying to court (which I fear would not always attract all those adjectives) would be inimical to the apparent intention of the parties.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">This proposal also reflects a very US centric view of the world, while the issue is one of global application. It also ignores the realities of how IGO privileges and immunities
work in practice. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">In short, we submit that this proposal misses the bigger picture and indeed the task this WG has set out to solve. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">We remain hopeful that WG members, and indeed potential case parties would yet see the efficiencies in an arbitral appeal without the need to resort to costly and time-consuming
court options.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b class=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif" class=""> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Jay Chapman via gnso-igo-wt<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> 05 August, 2021 11:16 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" class="">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] Following up on action items from the IGO Work Track's 2 August call<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Thank you, Mary and Staff, and hello, everyone. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" class="">I appreciate the opportunity. For clarity and focus, I narrowed the bullet points to the following: <o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:13.5pt" class="">Following the UDRP of a winning IGO Complainant, the current proposal - that a losing Respondent must choose between going to court or agreeing to arbitration - is not a fair choice. This is why: Per the current
proposal, should the Respondent choose to go to court, and the court dismisses the case on non-substantive (i.e., jurisdictional) grounds, the current proposal would bar the Respondent from accessing and utilizing the arbitration mechanism to seek substantive,
merit-based relief. This is especially impactful to Respondents when considering the corresponding proposal to remove the Mutual Jurisdiction Requirement for IGOs. Such a configuration would seem to unfairly coerce losing Respondents to “choose" arbitration,
otherwise risking that the Respondent could be left without a remedy. </span><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:13.5pt" class="">While the UDRP has been and is successful in thwarting bad actors, there have been and are controversial UDRP decisions that have resulted in domain names being canceled or transferred away from legitimate, good faith
Respondents (businesses, organizations, as well as individuals). These legitimate, good faith Respondents have and do rely on the due process protections that a court provides, such as the ability to appeal and other built-in checks and balances, to ensure
fairness. </span><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2">
<span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:13.5pt" class="">In the original IGO/INGO PDP Working Group, there had been a proposal that the option to arbitrate remains available after there has been a judicial proceeding in which the court finds that the IGO is jurisdictionally
immune. This preserves the ability to obtain a substantive decision on the merits of a Respondent's case, should the immunity question be decided in favor of the IGO Complainant. This proposal does not alter the opportunity for the parties to agree to go
straight to arbitration, nor does it affect the ability of a Respondent who has no cause of action in their (or their registrar's) jurisdiction from choosing to go straight to arbitration. </span><span lang="EN-GB" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" class="">On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 1:58 PM Mary Wong via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear all,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Staff had two action items from this past Monday’s IGO Work Track call: (1) to provide a summary of the concerns that Jay Chapman, on behalf of the BC, had expressed on the call;
and (2) to update the draft recommendations document based on suggestions and discussions during the call. We’ve completed both items, as further described below.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u class="">On action item (1)</u>:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jay’s intervention was based on the GNSO Council’s directions when creating the Work Track; i.e., address the issues with the original IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights PDP’s Recommendation
#5 by finding a solution that recognizes IGO immunities and privileges while preserving a registrant’s right and ability to have a UDRP panel decision reviewed on the merits. As requested, here is the summary of the concerns Jay outlined on the call – Jay
and others, please let us know if this is not accurate:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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Removing the requirement for an IGO Complainant to agree to submit to a Mutual Jurisdiction when filing a UDRP complaint results in a “false choice” for a losing registrant as between going to court and agreeing to arbitration. By removing the Mutual Jurisdiction
requirement for IGOs, a registrant is essentially left without a remedy should a court rule that it cannot hear the case due to the IGO’s having immunity from the jurisdiction of that court. <o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
There have been controversial UDRP decisions and cases of reverse domain name hijacking (RDNH) that have resulted in domain names being canceled or transferred away from legitimate, good faith registrants. Registrants rely on the due process protections that
a court provides, such as the ability to appeal and other built-in checks and balances, to ensure fairness.<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
The current Work Track proposal allows an IGO Complainant to select the forum (staff note: presumably, by selecting the UDRP dispute resolution provider to file its case with) and have the proceeding decided by panelist(s) who are almost exclusively trademark
practitioners. Requiring the registrant to choose between arbitration and going to court in these circumstances would appear to be the kind of situation that a judge may wish to review (in the absence of the immunity issue). <o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
In the original PDP Working Group, there had been a suggestion that the option to arbitrate remains available after there has been a judicial proceeding in which the court finds that the IGO is jurisdictionally immune. This alternative seems to preserve the
ability to obtain a substantive decision on the merits of a registrant’s case, should the immunity question be decided in favor of the IGO Complainant.<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u class="">On action item (2)</u>:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Staff has updated the group’s working document:
<a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=04%7C01%7Cdsatola%40worldbank.org%7C064553de60f9420f715c08d958ff5cf8%7C31a2fec0266b4c67b56e2796d8f59c36%7C0%7C0%7C637638678055196708%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2Bz6SJ1X8LAuJJuqB4OO4JYBY5QGJS8tV42DcTfmgx9A%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" class="">
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU/view?usp=sharing</a>. I’m also attaching a Word version in case you are not able to access or view the Google Doc. Since the Google Doc now contains comments and redlined updates from the past
two weeks, it may be somewhat difficult to read. For your convenient reference, you will find the additions and edits made by staff as a result of Monday’s call toward the bottom of Page 3 and continuing on Page 4.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks and cheers<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Steve, Berry & Mary<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p class=""></o:p></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b class=""><span style="" class="">From:
</span></b><span style="" class="">gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Berry Cobb via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Reply-To: </b>Berry Cobb <<a href="mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">Berry.Cobb@icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date: </b>Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 2:07 PM<br class="">
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<b class="">Subject: </b>[gnso-igo-wt] Agenda RPM - IGO Curative Rights Work Track for 2 Aug 2021 15:00 UTC Meeting</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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Please see below the proposed agenda for the meeting scheduled on <b class="">2 Aug 2021 15:00 </b>UTC.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p>
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Roll Call & SOI Updates (5 minutes)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
Welcome & Chair updates (Chair) (10 minutes)<o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
Continued Discussion of Working Proposal (70 minutes)<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">
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Link to Proposed Recommendations Doc: <span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU%2Fedit&data=04%7C01%7Cdsatola%40worldbank.org%7C064553de60f9420f715c08d958ff5cf8%7C31a2fec0266b4c67b56e2796d8f59c36%7C0%7C0%7C637638678055206705%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=UqIXc1ppXcqRtYdek8isf05m9P5dOI%2Bqh4zkfT57%2BfQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank" class="">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GHfvQzZG8s6BdgUsHm3KoyWtRcPO1EYU/edit</a>
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Next meeting 09 August 2021 @ 15:00 UTC<o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Brian to add his proposed redlines to the Google doc - COMPLETE - Note, staff created the next version in a new google doc, link provided above. The old version has been closed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Staff to prepare next draft of working proposal - IN PROGRESS - Staff awaits Brian's action to be completed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Staff to update flowchart - COMPLETE; Updated chart added to google doc, and also attached here.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class="">Brian to propose edits Rec #2 regarding selection of law for arbitration - IN PROGRESS</span><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" class=""><br class="">
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