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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I seriously object to indicating which position is in line with GNSO Council’s instructions. That’s up to the GNSO Council to determine,
not up to Jay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also, neither position takes away the registrant’s right to go to court, whereas the text implies that only the second position ensures
this right or that only this option is fair. Also arbitration is not “judicial review”. Finally, the edits I proposed were symmetrical, as to what happens if the court does not hear the case and I added the part regarding merits of the case as I knew that
it was important to Jay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jay Chapman <jay@digimedia.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> 14 September, 2021 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Disspain <chris@disspain.uk><br>
<b>Cc:</b> EXCOFFIER-NOSOV Alexandra, SGE/LEG <Alexandra.EXCOFFIER-NOSOV@oecd.org>; gnso-igo-wt@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] FOR REVIEW: Updated Draft Initial Report (Re: FOR DISCUSSION: Updated draft preliminary recommendations and options)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning, Chris and everyone. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do object to some of Alexandra's suggested edits in that particular sentence:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First, the suggested changes to the back half of this sentence water down the point that was put forth and that staff had accurately tried to state. To focus and be even more clear on the position, it should read as follows: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#313131">“…while other members thought that retaining the registrant’s ability to choose to go to court as an initial option was important to comply with the GNSO Council’s instructions
(that the registrant obtain judicial review) and ensure fairness (that there would be a decision on the merits).”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#313131">Second, the highlighting of the chart reaffirms its confusing and one-sided nature. Seeking neutrality in this report, why does the chart not indicate, for
</span>example, that an IGO might lose at a particular point and not take things any further? Another example: the chart makes clear that there are several ways for an IGO to prevail, but only one direct way a registrant could prevail - if the IGO waives
its immunity, which is not right or accurate (and the other, seemingly indirect way for a registrant to prevail is confusing as to where it originates from). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#313131">Finally, the edits also reemphasize the phrase “an unsuccessful attempt to invoke judicial consideration of its case” is also inappropriately leading, implying that a registrant’s
protection of its domain from being taken is a hopeless folly. That's also not right or accurate. It's not an "attempt" - it's the registrant's right, and the registrant seeks a substantive determination, not just vague consideration. As such I suggest
that phrase (here and anywhere else in the report) be changed to the following: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#313131">"a court's decision to not hear the merits of its case"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif;color:#313131">(I'll resubmit suggestions on the wraparound separately.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Jay Chapman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 4:26 AM Chris Disspain via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Alex.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree that your wording accurately reflects the 2 sides of the discussion and so (subject to ant strong objections) suggest we incorporate it. <o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#797979">Cheers,<br>
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Chris Disspain<br>
<a href="mailto:chris@disspain.uk" target="_blank">chris@disspain.uk</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13 Sep 2021, at 17:37, Alexandra.EXCOFFIER-NOSOV--- via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dear Mary, all,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As mentioned during the call, I’ve only reviewed the track changes in the full Initial Report document and have the following issue at the bottom of page 14.
It currently reads :</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">“Some EPDP team members believe that preserving the option for a registrant to go to arbitration following an unsuccessful attempt to invoke judicial consideration of
its case represents a “second bite at the apple”, while other members thought that retaining the registrant’s ability to choose to go to court as an initial option was important to ensure fairness as well as compliance with the GNSO Council’s instructions.”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This is quite leading language it makes it sounds that only the second option is fair, preserves the registrant’s right to go to court and is in line with GNSO
instructions. I would propose rather:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri Light",sans-serif">Some EPDP team members believe that preserving the option for a registrant to go to arbitration following an unsuccessful attempt to invoke judicial consideration of
its case represents <span style="color:red">an unfair, inefficient and costly </span>“second bite at the apple” <span style="color:red">[see above chart], </span>while other members thought that retaining the registrant’s ability to choose to <span style="color:red">go
to arbitration following an unsuccessful attempt to invoke judicial consideration of its case</span> was important to ensure fairness <span style="color:red">and to have a determination on the merits of the case. […]</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thank you,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alex</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>BECKHAM Brian via gnso-igo-wt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 September, 2021 4:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] FOR REVIEW: Updated Draft Initial Report (Re: FOR DISCUSSION: Updated draft preliminary recommendations and options)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Mary – a few super minor textual catches:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">At 1.1 – two “the” and two periods.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Speak soon on the rest!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</span></a>> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mary Wong via gnso-igo-wt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 11, 2021 1:06 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-igo-wt] FOR REVIEW: Updated Draft Initial Report (Re: FOR DISCUSSION: Updated draft preliminary recommendations and options)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Following up on the below, please find attached a redlined and clean copy of the latest version of the draft Initial Report. For ease of review, we’ve accepted
most of the previous redlined comments (including from Brian’s markup of a few weeks ago) and highlighted new text where these came out of action items from the past two weeks of discussions. You’ll see also that we’ve not yet included the actual text of the
draft recommendations in Section 2, as we understand that the main priority – especially on the call this coming Monday – is to finalize the recommendations text (including options for Public Comment.) Staff will therefore incorporate/paste the final text
of the preliminary recommendations and options after Monday’s call into a finalized Initial Report that we can post for Public Comment.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From: </span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">mary.wong@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 3:46 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</span></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:#954F72">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>FOR DISCUSSION: Updated draft preliminary recommendations and options</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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as well as the URS process flow chart that was displayed during Tuesday’s call. We hope the revised text captures the agreements and feedback from this past Tuesday’s call. As previously, to avoid “competing” texts, please do not send a redline/markup of the
document; instead, please feel free to post comments and questions to this list ahead of Monday’s call.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have combined the Mutual Jurisdiction exemption for the UDRP and URS into a single recommendation (which is now Recommendation
#3).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have attempted to highlight the options under consideration even more by labeling them Option 1 and Option 2 (for the UDRP
and URS, in what is now Recommendation #4 & #5, respectively.) We have also used yellow highlights in these square-bracketed options to indicate the differences between the two options in question.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">All other changes, updates and additions have been indicated via Comments balloons.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We have clarified that the question regarding applicable law is not an option to mutual agreement but a possible additional step
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