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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello again everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the discussion! As Justine notes, we had understood the main concern to be the ability to identify the actual registrant so as to key the choice of law to where they are located. Given, however, that privacy services may show
the actual registrant but additional contact details may still need to be disclosed (e.g., to establish their location) we’ve conferred with Chris and would like to suggest that we add “privacy service” to the new text. In addition, and building on Justine’s
earlier suggestion, we can add a footnote to clarify the distinction between the two types of services.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As such, the full text of Recommendation #5, updated and with a footnote (new text in
<span style="color:#4472C4">blue</span>), would read as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Arbitration will be conducted in accordance with the law as mutually agreed by the parties. Where the parties cannot reach mutual agreement, the IGO Complainant shall elect either the law of the relevant registrar’s principal office
or the domain name holder's address as shown for the registration of the disputed domain name in the relevant registrar's Whois database at the time the complaint was submitted to the UDRP or URS provider.<b> Where the parties cannot reach mutual agreement
in a case where the <s>registered</s> domain name <s>holde</s>r<s> i</s>s <span style="color:#4472C4">
was registered through</span> a <span style="color:#4472C4">privacy or</span> proxy service
<span style="color:#4472C4">(add FN) </span>and the underlying registrant’s identity is disclosed as part of the UDRP or URS proceeding, the IGO Complainant shall elect either the law of the relevant registrar’s principal office
<span style="color:#4472C4">or</span> the law in the location of the underlying registrant. In all cases, </b>where neither law provides for a suitable cause of action, the arbitral tribunal shall make a determination as to the law to be applied in accordance
with the applicable arbitral rules.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Suggested Footnote:<b><span style="color:#4472C4"><o:p></o:p></span></b></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#4472C4">The EPDP team has considered the differences between privacy and proxy services (e.g., as expressed in the respective definitions in Sections 1.2 and 1.3 of the Privacy & Proxy Specification in the Registrar
Accreditation Agreement: <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy" target="_blank">
<span style="color:#4472C4">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy</span></a>) as well as UDRP Rule 4(b) (concerning timely updates to a respondent’s data, including as a result of a request by a privacy or proxy
service to disclose underlying customer data). As Recommendation #5 is intended to ensure that the choice of law for an arbitration proceeding is linked to the actual or underlying registrant and where they are located, the EPDP team has included language
in the recommendation to address a situation where a domain name was registered via a privacy or proxy service.</span></i></b><i> </i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please let us know if you have any concerns with adding the above-proposed text to the report. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve, Berry & Mary<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gnso-igo-wt <gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Justine Chew via gnso-igo-wt <gnso-igo-wt@icann.org><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Justine Chew <justine.chew.icann@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 6:43 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Chris Disspain <cd.dnscapital@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>igo-wt <gnso-igo-wt@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-igo-wt] EPDP Final Report - Round 2 - Non-Substantive Edits<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chris, <o:p></o:p></p>
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I agree that in both cases of privacy and proxy the registered name holder (and location) is obscured. <br>
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If I can put it this way, in the case of proxy service, the registered name holder is an agent. If all we are concerned about is identifying the registered name holder / agent and its location, then, yes, there is no difference in how we treat the consequence
of privacy versus proxy service.<br>
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You can correct if I'm wrong but I think the RrSG comment is suggesting that in the case of proxy service, what we should be concerned with is identifying the actual underlying registrant (i.e. the agent's principal or the 'beneficial owner" of the domain name)
for the purposes of establishing his/her/its location. <br>
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Simply put, privacy service obscures the right party since the registered name holder and the underlying registrant is one and the same, but proxy service "obscures" the incorrect party because the registered name holder and the underlying registrant are not
one and the same (and isn't the underlying registrant the party who is in control of and/or uses the domain name?) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Then again, if we assume that the proxy service provider is obliged to defend the claim as the registered name holder alone, then the difference between privacy versus proxy service wouldn't matter as such.</i> <o:p></o:p></p>
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At the end of the day, I am fine if the group wants to include a reference to privacy service as well in Recommendation 5; all I ask is that, in that event, we distinguish and highlight the nature of registered name holder under one service from the other accordingly.
I'll leave it at that, thanks. <br clear="all">
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<span style="color:black">Kind regards,</span><br>
<span style="color:black">Justine</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 17:09, Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:cd.dnscapital@gmail.com" target="_blank">cd.dnscapital@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I think it is not just who the registrant is but where they are located. If I am the registrant based in UK but my registrar and privacy provider’s address is in Ireland then my actual UK location is obscured. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chris<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 23 Mar 2022, at 08:43, Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Chris, Brian,<br>
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It seems to me that what we are aiming at getting here is the identity of the <u>underlying registrant</u> as the proper party for establishing location.<br>
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My understanding of how privacy services and proxy services work is as explained by Mary. So, even where a privacy service is in play, the registered name holder and the underlying registrant are one and the same person/entity; while in the case where a proxy
service is in play, the registered name holder is not the underlying registrant. The RrSG input is aimed at fixing the latter case i.e. to establish the identity of the actual underlying registrant.<br>
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If my understanding above is incorrect, then I'm happy to stand corrected.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Kind regards,</span><br>
<span style="color:black">Justine</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 16:31, Chris Disspain <<a href="mailto:cd.dnscapital@gmail.com" target="_blank">cd.dnscapital@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I may be confused here. Isn’t the crux of the point we’re discussing that there would need to be clarity around location of the registrant? Thus where the registrant is actually located is the important bit. If I’m right then whether the
registrant’s location is obscured by a proxy or by use of a privacy provider is irrelevant. It’s the fact that it is obscured that requires ‘fixing’. If that’s correct then surely the provision should apply to both privacy and proxy services shouldn’t it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On 23 Mar 2022, at 08:13, BECKHAM Brian via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks Mary, Justine,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I may be overlooking something, but I am not sure I see a distinction for present purposes.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the case of a privacy service, just like a proxy service, it is the underlying/beneficial registrant who would answer
the claim against it in the UDRP case, and who would initiate court proceedings and/or arbitral appeal.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I cannot speak to the UDRP Lock WG but it does seem the fact that the UDRP Rules which were updated following that
PDP uses “privacy or proxy” is intended to speak to the above. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">(Of course that clause seems to assume some sort of link between the registrar and the privacy or proxy service, which,
also noting that PPSAI seems to be more or less indefinitely stalled (but also noting that such WG made a policy decision not to distinguish between the two), may be a question for the RPM Phase II to look at.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Justine Chew <<a href="mailto:justine.chew.icann@gmail.com" target="_blank">justine.chew.icann@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 23, 2022 5:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> BECKHAM Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" target="_blank">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>; Berry Cobb <<a href="mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org" target="_blank">Berry.Cobb@icann.org</a>>; Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] EPDP Final Report - Round 2 - Non-Substantive Edits<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi all,<br>
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Thanks to RrSG for the proposed edit, Brian for the ensuing question and Mary for the corresponding explanation.<br>
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I support the specification of just "proxy service" in Recommendation #5 for the reasons that Mary has provided, and think it would useful to post a shorter version of the explanation as a footnote to highlight that the EPDP Team has indeed considered the issue
of "proxy service" vs "privacy service". <br clear="all">
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<span style="color:black">Kind regards,</span><br>
<span style="color:black">Justine</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 at 01:54, Mary Wong via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hello Brian and everyone,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks for highlighting the Registrar Accreditation Agreement and the UDRP Rules, Brian, which I believe is the link and consistency that the RrSG is asking for.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The reason we had specified “proxy service” rather than use the more typical reference of “privacy/proxy service” is because of a fundamental difference between the two types of
service that seems relevant in the context of this recommendation (viz., linking applicable law to where the actual registrant is located):<o:p></o:p></p>
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For domain names registered via a <b>privacy service</b>, <u>the actual registrant is the registered name holder</u>, and the privacy service then provides alternate contact information for purposes of display in Whois or relevant registration directory service.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
For domain names registered via a <b>proxy service</b>, <u>the proxy service itself is the registered name holder</u> (and the service then licenses the domain name to the actual underlying registrant to use).<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As such, since Recommendation #5 is concerned with the appropriate choice of law for an arbitration between an IGO Complainant and the actual registrant/underlying customer, it
seemed necessary to provide clarity for cases involving proxy services and not privacy services. That said, it will be helpful to know if the EPDP team believes that adding “privacy service” to the text is more consistent with the general understanding and
provides further clarity. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For further reference, here are the definitions of both types of services from the relevant Specification to the current RAA (<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/approved-with-specs-2013-09-17-en#privacy-proxy</a>):
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<i>1.2 "Privacy Service" is a service by which a Registered Name is registered to its beneficial user as the Registered Name Holder, but for which alternative, reliable contact information is provided by the P/P Provider for display of the Registered Name Holder's
contact information in the Registration Data Service (Whois) or equivalent services.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a name="m_8545171112153052646_m_-333296703978958"></a><i>1.3 "Proxy Service" is a service through which a Registered Name Holder licenses use of a Registered Name to the P/P Customer in order to provide the P/P Customer use of the domain name, and the Registered
Name Holder's contact information is displayed in the Registration Data Service (Whois) or equivalent services rather than the P/P Customer's contact information.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks and cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Steve, Berry & Mary<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">P.S. Brian, thanks also for catching the omission of “or” from the text – we’ll make sure to add it!
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of BECKHAM Brian via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>BECKHAM Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" target="_blank">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Berry Cobb <<a href="mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org" target="_blank">Berry.Cobb@icann.org</a>>, igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-igo-wt] EPDP Final Report - Round 2 - Non-Substantive Edits</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Berry,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for passing this on.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Often we hear of “privacy and proxy” services/providers, so just wondering if there is a specific reason only “proxy”
is used here? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Overall, and for whatever worth, I do note that this seems to match the overall intent of UDRP Rules para 4(b) and
RAA 3.7.7.3, the former of which states: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">“Any updates to the Respondent's data, such as through the result of a request by a privacy or proxy provider to reveal
the underlying customer data, must be made before the two (2) business day period concludes or before the Registrar verifies the information requested and confirms the Lock to the UDRP Provider, whichever occurs first.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In that case, do we need to add “timely” before “disclosed” at “underlying registrant’s identity is disclosed”?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">PS, I think there needs or be an “of” at “office the”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Berry Cobb via gnso-igo-wt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 22, 2022 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chris Disspain via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-igo-wt] EPDP Final Report - Round 2 - Non-Substantive Edits<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear EPDP,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">One small update from the report sent out yesterday.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The leadership team received input from the RrSG regarding Proxy registrations and Recommendation #5 on Applicable law. You will see bracketed text on lines 390-392. Staff in consultation
with EPDP leadership, it is proposed to amend that bracketed text as follows (bold text):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span style="color:black">Arbitration will be conducted in accordance with the law as mutually agreed by the parties. Where the parties cannot reach mutual agreement, the IGO
Complainant shall elect either the law of the relevant registrar’s principal office or the domain name holder's address as shown for the registration of the disputed domain name in the relevant registrar's Whois database at the time the complaint was submitted
to the UDRP or URS provider.<b> Where the parties cannot reach mutual agreement in a case where the registered domain name holder is a proxy service and the underlying registrant’s identity is disclosed as part of the UDRP or URS proceeding, the IGO Complainant
shall elect either the law of the relevant registrar’s principal office the law in the location of the underlying registrant. In all cases, </b>where neither law provides for a suitable cause of action, the arbitral tribunal shall make a determination as to
the law to be applied in accordance with the applicable arbitral rules.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The rationale for the change is that it does seem
<span style="color:black">appropriate in those cases where the beneficial registrant’s identity is disclosed as part of the UDRP or URS process to point to that registrant’s location instead of the proxy service’s (as the Registered Name Holder).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If no objections, staff will include this in the next version of the report and we can review during next week’s call.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Mary, Steve, and B<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Policy Development – Senior Program Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Mobile: +1 424 443 8960<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="background:white">Fax: +1 202 789 0104</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#333333;background:white">Twitter: @berrycobb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="color:black">gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Berry Cobb via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Berry Cobb <<a href="mailto:Berry.Cobb@icann.org" target="_blank">Berry.Cobb@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, March 21, 2022 at 20:45<br>
<b>To: </b>Chris Disspain via gnso-igo-wt <<a href="mailto:gnso-igo-wt@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-igo-wt@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[gnso-igo-wt] EPDP Final Report - Round 2 - Non-Substantive Edits</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Dear EPDP,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Please find attached a line-numbered version of the lastest draft Final Report. As noted on the call today and in parallel to the final phase of the consensus process, we are beginning
round #2 of non-substantive edit proposals to the report. Instructions and a link to the submission table are below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Please have any suggested revisions posted by
<b><span style="color:red">23:59 UTC, 24 March 2022</span></b>. Staff will import the proposals and return an updated version by the next day the 25<sup>th</sup> to make ready for review at our next meeting on the 28<sup>th</sup>.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Link to Input Table:
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1TIvh5MKOl7t8Q2Yb_VTqPVlRMhiZS0o6YMZtwXDYvsI/edit__;!!PtGJab4!q9lwWgdUEbc3Kupll5JS4z4eyEFlKUdkgb14OgtZN0jhLZ6oxd16wsJvKCOwB4gsc65tLus$" target="_blank">
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TIvh5MKOl7t8Q2Yb_VTqPVlRMhiZS0o6YMZtwXDYvsI/edit [docs.google.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">*** If you do not have access, please request it. It will notify me and I will provide you with suggestion rights.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">**** If you do not get access in a timely manner to the google doc, please follow the instructions below and send your suggested edits to the full email list as an alternative.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0in"><b><u><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Instructions</span></u></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Please note your name and the group you represent in the “Group Submitting” column.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">For the “Line Number(s)” column, denote the line numbers from the clean version of the PDF of the Final Report for which you want to suggest a revision. For sentences or paragraphs, it will be helpful to list the
full range of line numbers.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the last column, “Proposed Revision”, please add your suggested edit or correction that you feel enhances or makes more clear the intent of the recommendation or supporting text without changing the intent. It
should not be necessary to quote the text from the report. In more complex proposals, a rationale statement should be included to help inform the EPDP on why the edit should be made.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">See the example in the first row. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Round #</span><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2<span style="color:black"> Edits</span> scope:
<u>FULL REPORT</u><span style="color:black">.</span></span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/GNSOIWT/Final+Report" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">Link</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> to revision history.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Please let us know if you have any questions or need clarifications.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Policy Development – Senior Program Manager<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="background:white">Fax: +1 202 789 0104</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#333333;background:white">Twitter: @berrycobb</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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