[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] ISO-3166 WT5 Agenda, Work Plan & Consensus Call on Country & Territory Names - Please review before our call.

Sun Aug 19 14:28:56 UTC 2018

Good afternoon:

The length and complexity of the current Threads are such that a reasonably prompt comprehensive reply would be impossible, so I shall reply severally in the next few days, to the main points.

Regarding ISO 3166:  This in an International Standard. Usually, responsible entities, both public and private respect International standards (even if they are not mandated in law).

The fact that in his wisdom, Jon Postel chose to use the 2 letter codes for ccTLDs at that time, does not detract from the validity of the rest of the 3166 Standard. The fact that a number of ISO 3 letter codes correspond to generic (EN/ASCII) words is immaterial. No one has ever said that ALL generic words (in how many languages and scripts?) are fair game for expropriation as gTLDs. 

In any event, it is absolutely essential that these country-related codes are used by and for and in the corresponding jurisdictions. The idea that there may be extraterritorial 'registry families' of ISO three letter codes, whether for geo- or non-geo purposes, will not fly.

In short, should some of us in WT5 (and it seems that there are some) wish to change the designation of ISO codes, let us go to Geneva and the 3166 maintenance agency and ask them, not to ICANN.

Regarding the Comores/.com argument, may I say that there are several decisions of the National Science Foundation (US NSF) from the 1980's with which I would have demurred, if asked. The Internet has got used to living with 'mistakes' from the past. But that is no argument for extending bad precedents to the whole of the DNS in the future. NO. Let us bear in mind that the policies and rules that shall be applied in the next 'rounds' would have to apply globally and should be immunised from the vagaries of the accumulated (EN/ASCII) decisions of the past.

Regards

Christopher Wilkinson

> El 18 de agosto de 2018 a las 18:27 Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> escribió:
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>     Dear All
>     I strongly disagree with argument launched in this e- mail
>     The three letter codes are also being used in many UN agency to designate the country symbols through which the orbital/ spectrum resources are assigned to these countries.
>     It is quite clear that no one has any ownership  on  these codes but they are tard and  continue to be used in future based on certain rules and NOT on commercial motivations
>     Regards
>     Kavouss
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>     On 17 Aug 2018, at 18:13, Liz Williams via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org > wrote:
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>         > >         Hello everyone
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> >         I appreciated Rosalie’s perspective especially around the discussion of “the distinction between countries, country codes, gTLDs, cultural communities and very real practical business models has disappeared completely.¨  During the 2012 round, I supported the application for numerous three letter TLDs and for many other permutations of IDNs and ASCII script.  In my experience, I stand behind my statement that the distinctions have blurred completely.  I also stand by my experience of supporting country codes to expand their business opportunities which either forced them or encouraged them to think more broadly about the survival of their business by running TLDs that means they are now ICANN contracted parties.  
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> >         I am not arguing that all TLDs are the same.  They are not nor should they be as it is a key tenet of valuable competitive service provision for registrants that they find products which suit their needs.  I am also not arguing that a country’s name ought not be protected.  That is well settled by consensus positions in this group and elsewhere.
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> >         We cannot put the "three letter code" genie back in the bottle.  It has been out for many years and we now need to recognise, for any upcoming round, how best we can develop policy which is clear for applicants, for evaluators and for end users.  That is valuable work to do which is futuristic and open.
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> >             > > >             On 17 Aug 2018, at 4:44 pm, Rosalía Morales <rosalia.morales at nic.cr mailto:rosalia.morales at nic.cr > wrote:
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> > >             Dear All,
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> > >             I think that governments do not inherently own anything; however, I strongly believe there are intangible values, associations, sovereignty and reputations attached to any name, especially a country name. 
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> > >             Moreover, I strongly disagree with Liz’s argument that: ¨The distinction between countries, country codes, gTLDs, cultural communities and very real practical business models has disappeared completely.¨  
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> > >             There are clear distinctions among TLDs depending on the use, the administration and mission of the organization. Even though ccTLDs are all managed differently, in most cases (.tv being a clear exception) are not-for-profit organizations that work to improve their local Internet ecosystems, give back to their country and represent their country’s name in the best possible way. 
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> > >             It is a huge responsibility to represent a country’s name. We cannot take this lightly and act like all TLDs are the same. I understand the importance of freedom of speech and open markets, but I also understand the sensitive associated to a country’s name. I my opinion there is no denying it. 
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> > >             I believe we should not include 3 letter country names in this coming round. There is no clear consensus how we should use a country’s name in this group.
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> > >             Best,
> > >             Rosalía
> > >             <Rosalia-Morales.png>
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> > >                 > > > >                 On Aug 17, 2018, at 9:26 AM, Liz Williams via Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 <gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5 at icann.org > wrote:
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> > > >                 The distinction between countries, country codes, gTLDs, cultural communities and very real practical business models has disappeared completely.  
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