[Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017

Thu Jan 4 12:24:17 UTC 2018

Dear Timo,

Thanks for bringing this up. You state:
            “The letter of non-objection works as one time sign-off.”

Well: That’s actually subject to the outcome of our recommendations. That’s why we have this WT5! Within the GNSO Subsequent Round WG we work off the 2012 Applicant Guidebook. We strike and add portions, and alter others. The 2012 AG will likely remain mostly and by large unchanged. In the 2012 AG it clearly says:

“It is also possible that a government may withdraw its

support for an application at a later time, including after

the new gTLD has been delegated, if the registry operator

has deviated from the conditions of original support or nonobjection.

Applicants should be aware that ICANN has

committed to governments that, in the event of a dispute

between a government (or public authority) and a registry

operator that submitted documentation of support from

that government or public authority, ICANN will comply

with a legally binding order from a court in the jurisdiction

of the government or public authority that has given

support to an application.”

(quoted from: 2-20, § 2.2.1.4.3, last passage on page 71 of 338 of the PDF version “guidebook-full-04jun-12-en”)

City governments are not stupid. They weren’t in the 2012 round, and with a MYRIAD of consultants assisting them in 2020 they will only be much MORE informed. They city Government will have a very detailed agreement with the gTLD operator – and the weak part here is the REGISTRY – not the city! 

Having said this: NO, the letter of non-objection is by no means a “one time sign-off”. It never was. It should never be. Thanks that you brought it up – because like you there might be many who assume it was! Once we work through the WT5-relevant existing 2012 AG provisions this will become much clearer. In respect to country names potentially being operated as gTLDs: obviously the same would apply! A consent (“letter of non-objection”) has to be provided by the RELEVANT Government authority (NOT by the “Ministry for Fishing & Farming”). That consent is revocable. The Government will be in control at all times. Some Governments will decide to run “their” country name themselves (I can imagine Turkey or Belarus wanting to assert FULL control). Others will want to be “out of the loop” as much as possible, like the United States of America: simply because that’s their general attitude; the federal Government has simply no say in such matters – and frankly doesn’t WANT to have one. The less leverage you have – the less you are responsible! Some want “full control”, others want the Government to stay out of as much as possible. Up to the relevant Government.

Thanks,

Alexander

From: Timo Võhmar [mailto:timo.vohmar at internet.ee] 
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg-wt5] [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017

Hi

If we speak only and strictly about business models in the sense how to market and how to monetize the transactions then yes this part is not restricted nor specified by ICANN nor any of the sub organisations. But leaving that aside ICANN dictates great deal on how one can and must run a *gTLD (what data to collect how to verify the data and contacts, where and how to store the data etc) furthermore the city government has almost no control over how the city geo gTLD is run, marketed or used unless it operates the TLD it self. The letter of non-objection works as one time sign-off. If the winner of the "beauty contest" decides not to act according to their initial sales pitch - i do not see on what grounds could the city government request ICANN to stop the delegation or re-delegate it to another entity. Someone please correct me if I am wrong here by pointing me to correct regulation.

Best Regards

Timo Võhmar

Estonian Internet Foundation

On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 12:14 AM, Alexander Schubert <alexander at schubert.berlin <mailto:alexander at schubert.berlin> > wrote:

Hi,

Per request of Jeff I am sending this answer to the WT5 email address!

I think we are mixing up stuff here. Nobody (especially not the gNSO or ICANN) wants or can “dictate” anybody how to operate a city gTLD applicant/registry – with the (implied) sole exception of the city government that has to grant the letter of non-objection.

And that is the beauty of the chosen approval model: not ICANN decides who shall operate a city-gTLD but the representatives of the city; on the basis of the operation model brought forward by the applicant. In fact this is the old fashioned “beauty contest” – but outsourced to the city government! And that makes sense: you want that the city is evaluating the model and choses the one that is in the best interest of the CITY – not that some backroom auction winner takes over the city’s online identity.

Thanks,

Alexander

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017

Thanks Michele, Theo, Kavouss, Vanda and Christopher.  

Seems like we have a cross over of issues here between the overall group and the new Work Track 5.  I would encourage overall discussions on business models to stay within this mailing list, but remove any issues on geographic names to Work Track 5 when we get into the substance. 

Thus, the issue of whether business models of registries in general or within some “categories” of TLDs should be explored here.  But whether TLDs that coincide with geographic names should or should not be of a certain business model, should be discussed within Work Track 5.

The reason is not to stifle discussion, but I note that not all of the participants of Work Track 5 are in fact participants in this overall group.  I want to make sure that all Work Track 5 participants see all discussions that relate to “geographic names” 

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017

I’d also be quite concerned about dictating the business models of a registry.

Looking at the new TLDs that have launched to date (there are still quite a few that haven’t), the more flexible they are in terms of their business models the better and more sustainable they are.

I also wonder why anyone would think that mandating “non-profit” is viable or what that’s even based on.

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From: Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> > on behalf of theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl> >
Date: Monday 1 January 2018 at 21:14
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Notes and Action Items - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP Working Group - 11 December 2017

I think we are overstepping the scope of the WG here. Is this WG going to decide on business models? If that is the case, I think this WG should inform the GNSO and make sure we are within scope. 

Thanks, 

Theo Geurts

Theo 

On 1-1-2018 21:19, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:

Dear All, 

First of all Happy new years to all .

While I agree with Christopher and Vanda ,in principle , however, this should be further explored and discussed

.

Regards

Kavouss 

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Rubens Kuhl < <mailto:rubensk at nic.br> rubensk at nic.br> wrote:

Vanda, 

I believe Katrin and Maxim were disagreeing with Christopher; just for clarity, do you believe that GeoTLDs should be required to be non-profit operations and have registration restrictions (like Christopher suggested) or to not have any of such requirements (like Katrin and Maxim suggested) ? 

Rubens

Em 28 de dez de 2017, à(s) 17:52:000, Vanda Scartezini < <mailto:vanda at scartezini.org> vanda at scartezini.org> escreveu:

Totally agree with Christopher, the cities in my country are not to intend to be not for profit 

Vanda Scartezini 

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