[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Recordings, attendance & AC Chat from New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Working Group call on Monday, 25 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC
Terri Agnew
terri.agnew at icann.org
Mon Sep 25 22:58:46 UTC 2017
Dear All,
Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the AC
Recording, MP3 recording, and AC Chat below for the New gTLD Subsequent
Procedures Working Group call held on Monday, 25 September 2017 at 20:00
UTC.
Attendance of the calls is also posted on the agenda wiki page:
https://community.icann.org/x/7BkhB
MP3: <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-25sep17-en.mp3>
http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-subsequent-25sep17-en.mp3
AC Recording:
<https://participate.icann.org/p83di3i4v19/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=96c8662b94871fcc
f55d58833d3c9ea8813255262baec5df38f242b37e427b7b>
https://participate.icann.org/p83di3i4v19/
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master
Calendar page: http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar
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Thank you.
Kind regards,
Julie
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Monday, 25 September 2017
Julie Bisland:Welcome to the New gTLD Subsequent Procedures WG call on
Monday, 25 September 2017 at 20:00 UTC
Julie Bisland:Agenda wiki page:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_7
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kavouss arasteh:HI JULI
Julie Bisland:Hello Kavouss!
kavouss arasteh:Here is about mid night
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:hi all
Julie Bisland:Hello Kris!
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we have adobe audio?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hi Jeff, audio positive
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we wait for 3 minutes more?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):test my AC audio now?
Jeff Neuman:Can hear you well Cheryl!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):I always prefer to have dial up phne, for audio
stabiility but still no phine lines connected to the house, :-( new cables
to be laid underground it seems ... SIGH
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):and I am *not* going to the off9ce to take calls
een at this hour :-)
Heather Forrest:@Cheryl - did those 100km winds last week get you? It was
rough down here in Tasie.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):It didn't hlep Heather but I lost phines the
windy week before
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): ergh typos sorry
Heather Forrest:No good - hopefully underground lines will help
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):the office and labortory BLD is just fine now
and has been for the week just our residence still offline
Julie Bisland:Kavouss: i've sent you a private chat
Vanda Scartezini:hi everyone....with a lan connection hope it will work
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Yup that's the *expenive* plan Heather
Vanda Scartezini:it is good Avri
kavouss arasteh:Pls advise the operator to dial me up
kavouss arasteh:Here is mid night and if there would no call then I have
to quit
kavouss arasteh:I need to be connected
Julie Bisland:Kavouss, the operator is trying to call but having trouble
kavouss arasteh:what trouble
Karen Day:lost avri audio?
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):losing audio - Avri too soft
Erica Varlese:audio got very quiet
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):aodio dropped volume
Vanda Scartezini:she istill here but became very low
kavouss arasteh:00971 2656 0000 ROOM 1505
Ken Stubbs - Afilias:volume back to normal
Jonathan Robinson:I updated my SOI recently. More a tidy up and removing
of no longer relevant information.
Vanda Scartezini:have my full support
Greg Shatan:Huis Clos for CLO.
Greg Shatan:Translation: No exit for CLO. Full support.
Martin Sutton:Fully support Cheryl.
kavouss arasteh:De ar Julie
kavouss arasteh:Pls advise the operator to dial me up
Vanda Scartezini:I have been working with Cheryl since 2007 and she is all
for process and quality
Rubens Kuhl:Full support for Cheryl, from someone already in the trenches
with her for last 18 months!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thank you for the support on the list I
appreciate that and also for the support shown here to step up in support of
Avri and Jeff (hopefully the GNSO will not object)
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):We are all happy Cheryl agreed to assume this
responsiblity.
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:support for Cheryl
Phil Buckingham:My congratulations too .
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):congrats!
Julie Bisland:Kavouss, the operator is getting error messages, so i'm
working with her to troubleshoot. still trying.
Alexander Schubert:Congrats!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO)::-) you have to train me now Avri
Jeff Neuman:ok...Cheryl you take the meeting from here :) Just kidding
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:Congrats Cheryl!
kavouss arasteh:tks
Alan Greenberg:Chery, having worked with you for several years,
trainable??
Heather Forrest:Council's October document deadline is next Monday 2nd -
please could the PDP leadership/Paul as liaison put this on the Council
agenda?
Jeff Neuman:@Heather - I will officially do that after this call
Julie Bisland:Kavouss, you're connected now, correct?
Heather Forrest:Great, Jeff, thanks. Just making sure it gets on the
agenda otherwise we'll have to wait until AD
kavouss arasteh:yes thanks
Sara Bockey:Apologies for delay in joining - computer issues.
Jim Prendergast:Michael - can you referesh my memory on who is invited ot
the WT2 call? thanks
Vanda Scartezini:please speak lauder
Phil Buckingham: WT2 15.00 UTC 28 September - please note the change of
time this week only . @ Jim , Kathy Kleiman and Michele Neylon will be
joining the call
Michael Flemming:Sorry Jim, aside from our normal roster I have confirmed
planned attendance from Kathy Kleiman and Michele Neylon
kavouss arasteh:Avri, you are heard with distortion
Rubens Kuhl:28 September New gTLD Subsequent Procedures Sub Team -
Track 4 - IDNs/Technical & Operations 20:00 UTC
Jonathan Robinson:Your line is fine now Jeff. Seemingly OK once Avri mic
is off.
Jim Prendergast:thx
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):@Jeff - Can you share the three GNSO nominees?
Greg Shatan:Is the WT5 nomination period still open?
Jeff Neuman:thanks
Julie Bisland:@Kavouss: your line was creating that echo from Jeff's line
so the operator muted it. If I see your hand raised, we will unmute.
Rubens Kuhl:Yes we do.
Jeff Neuman:@Greg - WE have not really closed the nomination period yet
since there were no real candidates from the GNSO that came forward until
this week.
Greg Shatan:Thanks, Jeff. There may be at least one more "candidate". It
might make sense to put a deadline on it at this point.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):QUESTION: @Jeff - Who are the nomiinees from
GNSO? QUESTION
Jonathan Robinson:@Avri. I think you are fine. Only when you and Jeff are
both open mic is there a problem.
Jonathan Robinson:Simultaneously
Julie Bisland:@Avri: your line is clear, thinking Kavouss's line might
have had an issue too, as when a few of you have open lines at the same time
they are creating a feedback and echo.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):That's how I am hearing it as well
Rubens Kuhl:While the co-chairs have latitude in choosing their method,
the one adopted by the Council in the SSC(Standing Selection Committee) is
to only publish the chosen name.
Donna Austin, Neustar:did we lose audio or is it just me?
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Audio fine
Rubens Kuhl:Donna, audio works for me in the audio bridge.
Donna Austin, Neustar:ok dialling in
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):There will be only 1 Kavous like all the other
ACSOs
kavouss arasteh:Tks for clarification
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):COMMENT- Avri just said we would know the names
of the nominees. That way members of this group can provide input to
Leadership on the choice. COMMENT
Rubens Kuhl:I don't think we divide WG members between SOs and ACs, since
there is no requirement to be from a SO or AC to joing a GNSO PDP WG.
Karen Day:I thik Greg is reccomending that only GNSO members of this group
select
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Seems a good point to me there @Rubens
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):GNSO Council?
Rubens Kuhl:Maxim, the GNSO Council punted this choice to the WG
leadership.
Greg Shatan:Not GNSO Council. They don't get involved in picking Subgroup
leadership.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):The Council suggested the LT to do that as Rubens
stated
Heather Forrest:Given that the WT5 leaders each represent an SO/AC, then I
think the GNSO should be deciding its leader. The GNSO did not have input
into the other SO/AC leader nominations.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):He types faster than I do it seems ;-)
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Dropping for another (hopefully short)
meeting. Back soon.
Heather Forrest:No problem, Jeff!
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Greg, representation needs to be somewhat equal ...
for GAC level it is going to be GNSO Council
Greg Shatan:Maxim, it's not Council's job.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):I thought GNSO said they will not agree to
decide the chair of WT5.
Greg Shatan:Anne -- Council said that. Not the GNSO. Not the same thing,
Heather Forrest:@Jeff- that's my understanding too, but Council didn't
delve into the specifics
Greg Shatan:I have to step away. Sorry.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Thank you Jeff!
kavouss arasteh:Perhaps GNSO need a PDP for this topic
Vaibhav Aggarwsl:+1 Greg & +1 Heather
avri doria:certainly
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Greg Shatan:I think Council gave Leadership the leeway to deal with this
as it sees fit....
Steve Chan:Tab 2, Attributes Matrix
Heather Forrest:In 2007 there was a hearty discussion about the benefits
and burdens of proliferation of specific categories
kavouss arasteh:We need to have justifixations to add new gategory
Heather Forrest:Just wndering if any of those benefits/burdens have
changed
Vanda Scartezini:guess heather this is good idea to get back that debate
kavouss arasteh:We need to avoid racing between interested people to
jumped into the race to add their name to new categories
Steve Chan:we'll work on that
Steve Chan:It's the right tab, just an older version...
Donna Austin, Neustar:I don't see any reason to do so.
Heather Forrest:@Jeff: would that lead to clear efficiencies in
IE/delegation?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):not for profit is just the form
Rubens Kuhl:There are not-for-profit and there are charitable
organizations... could we be mixing the two concepts ?
Vanda Scartezini:teh community did not work last time. even catching all
the documentation entered into regular auction...
Phil Buckingham:I agree Ken we need to differentiate - so we then would
have different financial evaluation questions perhaps
Susan Payne:agree, some not for profits are very wealthy. ICANN for
example
Vanda Scartezini:I also agree with NGO group.
Donna Austin, Neustar:good point Susan
Vanda Scartezini:there will be difficult to deffend only being NGO Alan.
agree
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):Agree with Alan we cannot limit Applicant
Support to non-profit organizations.
Alexander Schubert:The keyword might be "public benefit"!
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do we intend to make special categories for LTD or
private companies?
Hadia Elminiawi:+1 Alan cannot limit support to not for profit
organizations
Heather Forrest:Seems to me that the answer to whether to create new
categories depends on what hyou are using the categorisation for....
Vanda Scartezini:MAxim, I beleive we shall restrict the number of
categories
Jeff Neuman:@Heather - There is definately a chicken / egg problem
kavouss arasteh: If we take that path we may end up with numerous
additional categories which could complicate the process
Martin Sutton:@Jeff. Agree, I think the non-profit element is a sub
component of the applicant, rather than a categorisation of the registry.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Vanda, that was what I meant... we do not need to
do so
Vanda Scartezini:ok then, Maxim, support this
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:@alan...very true its a fact....
kavouss arasteh:Before we create new category we need to have criteria to
be meet in order that a given entity become a new category
Hadia Elminiawi:ok quite clear Alan
kavouss arasteh:to be met
Heather Forrest:Specific question: What will categories be used for??
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):I'm back.
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):There is clearly still a lot to discuss in this
exercise, but it is a good one to pursue IMO
Gg Levine (NABP):Would an applicant have to be identified as a member of a
designated category to be considered eligible for financial support?
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):financial support was almost useless
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:If its sound NGO then the Public internet registry
may have to be and may be under the PIR... .NGO / .ORG are under PIR
Phil Buckingham:exactly Jeff - we then develop a tree diagram based on
Specifications that would be applicable or exempt
Gg Levine (NABP):Thx.
Rubens Kuhl:Financial evaluation and contracting are also likely impacted
by TLD types.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):.moscow TLD would be non for profit too
Vanda Scartezini:yes shall go ahead with this exercise.
Rubens Kuhl:And contract could be the only impact, like it was in 2012 for
governmental organisations.
Christa Taylor:I would see financial support being separate as mentioned,
there are very wealthy NFPs
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):audio
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):back
Martin Sutton:@Heather. dotBrands could have benefited from categorisation
in 2012 round, instead, there was a lot of pain during the post-application
phase, but eventually recognised as a distinct model through spec 13.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):It's not about being a non-profit. It's about
needing Applicant Support.
Vanda Scartezini:I beleive so Rubens, and may be what alla re looking at
when trying to define categories
Christa Taylor:+1 Anne
Heather Forrest:@Martin - it makes sense where a categor is created in
order to serve a clear purpose. For brands, clearly the purpose was
efficiency in evluation and contracting. That I can see clearly. I think we
need clear reasons/purpose like that for any other categories as well
Donna Austin, Neustar:The criteria for applicant support should be needs
based and not tied to specific organisations.
Martin Sutton:@Heather - agree
Phil Buckingham:+1 Donna
Donna Austin, Neustar:Agree Heather
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Is there a case for "case by case" in the matter
of appropriate for Applicant Support program?
Rubens Kuhl:It's on the list for now, last line of page 1.
kavouss arasteh: We should avoid creating new categories under which some
of the existing categories covered
Vanda Scartezini:totally agree with Anne
Rubens Kuhl:Some Geo TLDs are government entities (like .nyc or .rio) and
some are not (like .berlin).
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 Rubens
Donna Austin, Neustar:Regardless of category, all applications will likely
undergo the same baseline process.
Donna Austin, Neustar:.nyc is not a geoTLD as defined in the AGB
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):The reason we need a separate category is
because this effort failed in the 2012 round.
Donna Austin, Neustar:I was responding to a comment by Rubens
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):We need to develop policies to help those who
need Applicant Support to succeed. That is why the category should be
separate.
Rubens Kuhl:Donna, .nyc is a GeoTLD according to both ICANN and NYC
Mayor's Office:
Rubens
Kuhl:https://newgtlds.icann.org/sites/default/files/ier/f3T5ufeSpeThAJezaxez
uDtE/ie-1-1715-21938-en.pdf
Rubens Kuhl:"Geographic Names Geographic Name - PassThe Geographic Names
Panel has determined that yourapplication falls within the criteria fora
geographic name contained inthe Applicant Guidebook Section 2.2.1.4, and the
documentation of support or non-objection provided has met all relevant
criteriain Section 2.2.1.4.3 of the Applicant Guidebook"
Donna Austin, Neustar:@Rubens, I get that, but it is not a geo in terms of
the AGB.
Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):like poor oil industry communty brand
Rubens Kuhl:Donna, tell that to ICANN and to the .nyc operator ... ;-)
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Hi! I think this conversation started
while I had dropped for another meeting. Can someone fill me in as to why
we're discussing categories? Whether to have them? What that determination
drives? Thanks!
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:in the 2012 round weren't applicants allowed to pick
both geo and community?
Krishna Seeburn - Kris:agreed things may have to be clear at the
application time and meeting the needed requirements
Rubens Kuhl:@Jamie, that's true, and there some examples. OSAKA and one or
two of the Barcelona TLDs.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):OK, thanks.
Anne Aikman-Scalese (IPC):We should perhaps consider different
specifications for Applicant Support applicants - e.g. okay to have a fewer
number of registrars - make their operations simpler. We need to develop
policies to encourage the success of those needing Applicant Support in the
public interest.
Rubens Kuhl:.OSAKA was decided between two applicants on a Community
Priority Evaluation, there were two applications with non-objection from the
government. One was community and one was not.
avri doria:but Geo was an emergent 'category' while community was a
defined category. perhaps that is the reason for overlap.
avri doria:but perhaps geo and community are not both categories but one
of them is an attribute that can be applied to multiple categories.
kavouss arasteh: Yes ,highly regulated is totally different than sensitive
category
kavouss arasteh:different from
Rubens Kuhl:Avri, we could define categories as mutually exclusive and
attributes as non-exclusive to move the discussions along.
Donna Austin, Neustar:@Avri, geo was a category because of additional
requirements. community was a category because of different requirements.
avri doria:so was geo a category or an attribute.
Donna Austin, Neustar:good question Avir
Donna Austin, Neustar:Avri
Donna Austin, Neustar:but perhaps we're just splitting hairs for no real
purpose
Vanda Scartezini:the requirement regarding government authorization makes
it a different category imo
Donna Austin, Neustar:on the chat discussion
Rubens Kuhl:Brand + Exclusive - Use : Category. Attribute of that
category: Brand TLD>
avri doria:time check 20 minutes left.
Rubens Kuhl:Geographic, Community, Governmental: Attributes.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Depends on what we're using the
categories for. If the "validated registry" category is strictly
interpreted (e.g., extensive restrictions) and we don't have an open
restricted TLD category, we could be stifling innovation.
kavouss arasteh:different from was typed to replace different than in my
comment about hihghly regulated and sensitive pls kindly make that
correction
Jamie Baxter | dotgay:i actually thought there were only standard and
community TLDs as options in the 2012 round, however geo was a box that
required checking when completing an application and as Donna pointed out,
it required additional requirements
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):Would it be because of contractual
restrictions (e.g., with ICANN)?
avri doria:Jamie, that is somewhat what i mean by the difference between
categories and attributes that can be applied to any category.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):To be clear, I as speculating on answer
to Jeff's question as to why we had the governmental organization applicants
entry on the chart.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):was speculating. sheesh. need more
coffee.
Jeff Neuman:I need coffee too ;)
Donna Austin, Neustar:i think we should focus on a rationale for a
category and i don't think organisation types require their own category
Jeff Neuman:@Donna that may be so, but this exercise will help us
Donna Austin, Neustar:yep, its already helped me Jeff and I've drawn my
conclusion :-)
Greg Shatan:Kristina, you're in the right city for more coffee.
Kristina Rosette (Amazon Registry):@Greg. True. Have already dusted off
the sun machine for the winter.
Heather Forrest:"sun machine" - now that's fabulous
Greg Shatan:@Kristina, your employer needs to buy the sun and move it to
Seattle. No more need for a sun machine, then.
Donna Austin, Neustar:if an organisation like Nike wanted to sell domain
names to anyone, they would not be a brand TLD, is that correct?
Rubens Kuhl:Donna, they could sell to brand licensees.
Greg Shatan:But not to just "anyone."
Donna Austin, Neustar:but does that change whether they are considered a
brand TLD
Hadia Elminiawi:@greg like that - buy some sun ..
Rubens Kuhl:So that could be very ample, like anyone who bought one of
their shoes. ;-)
Heather Forrest:Excellent initiative, Steve & team!
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Thanks Steve
Donna Austin, Neustar:sounds good Steve
Steve
Chan:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1A5uaxBAgmg7QsFuqMdVvt1HxNZ4jKXn
m3Hp0gZra7U0/edit?usp=sharing
Phil Buckingham:excellent steve
Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):Bye everyone
Heather Forrest:Thanks Avri, Jeff and WT leaders
Christa Taylor:Thank-you
Hadia Elminiawi:Thank you all and bye
Rubens Kuhl:Bye all!
Katrin Ohlmer, DOTZON:Thanks & bye, everybody!
Greg Shatan:Bye all!
Alexander Schubert:Bye!
Bruna Santos:thanks evertone, bye!
Vanda Scartezini:thansk everyone..
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