[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC

Tue Aug 13 21:21:43 UTC 2019

It strikes me this question of currency codes should be referred to the SSAC and the IETF.
Anne

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC

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Dear Jeff:

Thankyou. Noted. I look forward to the discussion of those Reserved Names (there are others).

Meanwhile, may I say that I do not see this as a question of ‘confusion’ as you have described it.

Rather we are dealing with the risks to the global financial systems that could arise from independent platforms based on a portfolio of ISO4217 alpha 3 codes as TLDs offering financial and foreign exchange services outside the remit of existing official structures, snd policies.  I gather recently (actually, today) that we are not alone in addressing these kinds of issues:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3414401&download=yes

However, the opportunity of such developments is for others to determine. All I am proposing is to protect ICANN’s reputation and independence from any regulatory issues arising from otherwise unauthorised use of ISO4217 codes as TLDs as platforms for financial and foreign exchange services.

Accordingly, I propose that the ISO4217 codes be reserved and protected in the same way as the ISO3166 alpha3 codes. Policies for the eventual release of those codes as TLDs could be developed in consultation with the interested parties which - by and large - are still outside the ICANN community and the GNSO.

Best regards toy all

CW

On 12 Aug 2019, at 15:21, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman at comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman at comlaude.com>> wrote:

Thanks Christopher.  I understand the scope of how foreign exchange rates and transactions are in the world.  I guess what I was really asking was about the scope of the problem and what issues are being caused now that would necessitate the reservation of those codes (or protection of those codes) at the top level.

So, for example, “CUP” is the 3-letter code for the Cuban Peso, “MOP” for the Macao Pataca, “MAD” for the Moroccan Durham, “NPR” for the Nepalese Rupee (also in US is known by most people at the National Public Radio, “RUB” for the Russian Ruble, and “TOP” for the Tonga Pa’anga (NOTE:  This is already a TLD).  In the last example, has there been any noted cases of confusion of harm attributable to the match of the TLD and the currency code.

So when we get to the topic of reserved names in the full working group, this subject can be brought up, and the group can understand the scope of the problem and the necessity (if any) to protect those 3-letter codes.

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Proposed agenda - New gTLD Subsequent Procedures PDP WG - 12 August 2019 at 15:00 UTC

Dear Jeff :
During our most recent conference call, you asked me to quantify the scope of the Foreign edchange Transactions and the businesses supported by protected geographical indications.

As I said at the time, I do not have the time or resources to conduct a thorough study, but a few minutes’ Goodle Search gives rise to confirmation of the importance of these economic activities.
1. Foreign exchange transactions (ISO 4217 currency codes.)
« According to the Bank for International Settlements, the preliminary global results from the 2016 Triennial Central Bank Survey of Foreign Exchange and OTC Derivatives Markets Activity show that trading in foreign exchange markets averaged $5.09 trillion per day in April 2016. »
https://www.statista.com/statistics/247328/activity-per-trading-day-on-the-global-currency-market/
As I understand these FOREX markets, (a) a significant proportion of these transactions are automatic outcomes of small shifts in the exchange rates and (b) the transactions involve the electronic identification of the buying and selling parties and currencies.

Subject to confirmation or contradiction I believe that the ISO 4217 alpha3 codes are widely used for that purpose. This is why I have argued in WT5 and in the PDP that these currency codes should be reserved by ICANN until there is a clear agreement with the international Central Banks (e.g. through IMF or BSI) as to whether these codes could be delegated and to which entities, not excluding themselves.

  1.  Geographical Indications (GIs)
The IPR rights in GIs are well established in many jurisdictions. Their economic significance is considerable in the regions most concerned. At short notice, I only have an EU source to quantify their economic importance. From an 2011 EU Court of Auditors report (There are others):
https://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_ECA-11-41_en.htm
“The geographical indications (GI) scheme aims to protect product names which are registered as Protected Designation of Origin or Protected Geographical Indication, whose overall wholesale value is estimated at € 15 billion (per year-cw). The scheme also provides a potential economic opportunity for farmers and producers of food and can have a positive impact on the rural economies of the EU’s regions, as well as offer an impetus for safeguarding local culture and tradition and provide consumers with the opportunity to be more aware of the origin of the products they consume.”

Granted that fifteen billion per year is less than five trillion per day. But I nevertheless consider that since the GIs are protected by applicable local law, ICANN should reserve all such names in the agreed languages. and regulate eventual delegation to authorised Registries.

I trust that this preliminary response to your question is helpful
Regards
Christopher Wilkinson

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