[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Very High Level Proposal on Closed Generics - PERSONAL PROPOSAL

Wed Aug 12 11:45:33 UTC 2020

Hi,

If already generic term based gTLDs would be allowed to operate as a closed gTLD – that would include generic term based brands (Apple, Mango, Orange) as well, right? Why would then non-generic term based brand gTLDs need a Spec-13?

Closed gTLDs are likely completely eliminating Spec-13. Please correct me if I misinterpret that. A brand could simple avoid all the annoying Spec-13 provisions by applying as Closed Generic. Right?

And what about city gTLDs? Formerly the argument was, that we only have these cases:

*        Either it’s not assigned as targeting the city – then you don’t need Government support
It would still be an open gTLD: folks claimed “does it matter who runs the gTLD; everyone may still register domains?”

*        Or it’s targeting the city – then you need a letter of support

*        Or it’s a closed Spec-13 brand gTLD – then only the brand may register domains

Now we are suddenly introducing a new case: 

*        Not targeting the city; 

*        doesn’t need Government support, 

*        but it is closed and there is no “Spec-13” (as it isn’t a brand). 

This situation was never ever discussed in WT5! If we were to allow closed generics where the registry may assign domains to whomever they wish: we have to reopen WT5 ASAP. 

Closed generics aren’t isolated: there are strong interdependencies with Brand Spec-13 and WT5 (geo) gTLDs.

At bare minimum we would have to exclude city names from being eligible as closed gTLD. WT5 has always assumed that these are either “open gTLDs” or “protected by Spec-13”. 

Question to those who favor Closed Generics: Would there be any restrictions to the registry model? Could the registry assign any third party name server to any domain in their gTLD (regardless whether the name server provider is “leasing” the domain, or “buys” it, has its assignment granted as long as he is “member” of a social network, or whatever the innovative model shall be)?

Thanks,

Alexander

From: Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Aikman-Scalese, Anne
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Very High Level Proposal on Closed Generics - PERSONAL PROPOSAL

Jim,

Sorry for the late response.  I have been on vacation!  Personally I believe that if this WG came up with a consensus on Closed Generics and the GNSO Council and the Board approved it, it wouldn’t take long for 2012 applicants to apply for (and get) a modification from “open” to “closed” under the new policy.

Anne

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Very High Level Proposal on Closed Generics - PERSONAL PROPOSAL

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On the .book example.  That was delegated 4 ½ years ago and has 1 domain registered.  Not exactly innovating.  At least not yet.  Maybe the operator is hoping rules on closed generic would be retroactive?  But I don’t think that’s possible under the charter of this group.  Someone correct me if I am wrong on this.

And I’m sure book publishers would argue all sorts of other issues they see with the current RO operating it as a closed generic.  Plenty of lawsuits and settlements to sift through if so inclined.

Jim Prendergast

The Galway Strategy Group

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Very High Level Proposal on Closed Generics - PERSONAL PROPOSAL

Hi Jeff: 

As Marc has just indicated, I think we owe a duty to ICANN to provide them with an implementable policy. I don’t think it is acceptable to leave very difficult or intractable problems with an implementation team, or else we will spend another extended period on what is already an embarrassingly long duration between rounds. 

As you know, my original point of view was that the public interest test is not workable.We do not have workable definitions for public interest, a generic word, or a single-registrant TLD. To draw a parallel, the Community Priority Examination was a failure in that it could not be applied evenly, nor did it result in the hoped-for public benefit.  The Public Interest test, with its additional unknown dimensions, presents multiples of that difficulty. 

The model you present here confirms and heightens these concerns. As I read each defitioniton and criteria set you propose, I wonder, “How do you test for that,” and “what could be the scoring for that”? From someone who spend days and days inn a conference room weighing many ersatz applications against CPE criteria and scoring regimes, I can say that this cannot be effectively done.

To flesh out your plan into actionable criteria would take another extended period, the criteria will not lead to consistent results, and the scheme, when finally implemented will not achieve the hoped-for goals. 

All these will denigrate the reputation of the ICANN policy-making process generally as well as the ICANN model. There were four categories inn the previous round. All were problematic, none were as complex as this. 

Those who are speaking against this new, additional categorization are not for an “anything goes” or “no strings attached” approach. I think I can speak for others and say we want to develop a policy that will serve ICANN and the ICANN model well.

On the other side of the issue, I agree with Marc that we would be better off banning closed-generics rather than attempting to implement this test. However, I am more bullish on their worth and am afraid we would be effectively banning innovation with such a prohibition. If we are not here to encourage some type of innovation, why are we here?

ICANN has created with its contracts an environment that restricts TLD usage to the same, tired operating model. Closed generics would cause a reconsideration of gTLD rules in a way that encourages innovation. For example, closed generics would cause ICANN to reconsider the existing fee structure and just that fee structure has been an effective ban to innovation. 

Who has a better chance to utilize .book, an innovative firm that has the wherewithal to experiment, present innovative approaches and improve upon them, or some schmo that will seek to maximize domain registrations with discounts and flash sales? I vote for innovation. 

In any event, I think it is important that the final report indicates, so the GNSO Council and Board know, that we discussed these issues and the described the potential perils of the public interest approach so that they can take advantage of the analysis and thought product done to date. 

Thanks very much,

Kurt

On Aug 3, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Marc Trachtenberg via Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org> > wrote:

Jeff,

While I appreciate your effort I cannot support a proposal that is complex, creates more ICANN bureaucracy. and will undoubtedly result in more disputes because it does not rely on any objective criteria.   I also don’t see any reason why if there is more than one other application for the same or a confusingly similar string (eg., there is a contention set for the string), then none of those applications will be allowed to be a Closed Generic.  That is like saying if there is a contention set that no Community Applications are permitted.

As it is obvious by now, I strongly believe that closed generics should be permitted and that there is no reasonable justification to exclude them or put a public interest or other restriction on them and will advocate for this outcome as best I can.  However, if that does not come to pass I think it would be better to have no closed generics than an public interest restriction that cannot be implemented and will only result in disputes, uncertainty, and delay in the next round.

Generally and overall, I believe that if we want to have any hope that the next round will be successful in any way, that we should be seeking simpler solutions that are easier and more realistic to implement and are based on objective criteria and avoiding more complex and subjective solutions, especially those that require the creation of new panels and other structures, at all costs.

Best regards,

Marc H. Trachtenberg
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Subject: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Very High Level Proposal on Closed Generics - PERSONAL PROPOSAL

*EXTERNAL TO GT*

This proposal is being sent out by me personally and NOT the Leadership Team (who hasn’t even seen this yet).  It is not an indication of where I think we are, but just a VERY HIGH LEVEL approach to solicit comments.

I appreciate all of the proposals that have come in recently on how to deal with Closed Generics, but I wanted to try a much higher level proposal that attempts to take points from a number of previous proposals and extract some of the points where I thought we had some agreement.  The more in the weeds we get, the more it appears we get stuck.  I, at one time, also had a lot of details in my original proposal, but I stripped them all out.  

We need to recognize that there is no definition of public interest.  The only real viable ones you can find in legal dictionaries or other treatises and other documents is usually circular – namely public interest is that which the public deems it to be. 

So, I tried to go back to the basics:

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Background

The GAC issued advice to the Board on the New gTLD Program through its  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gacweb.icann.org/download/attachments/27132037/Final_GAC_Communique_Durban_20130718.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1375787122000&api=v2__;!!DUT_TFPxUQ!XV0iOUDqkkSOegcgoPRsTpHbRhD8Z1dp-rXGubkkrNlzuVps9GMxf94N-l1sSMqLlXw$> Beijing Communiqué dated 11 April 2013. In the Beijing Communiqué, the GAC advised the Board that, "For strings representing generic terms, exclusive registry access should serve a public interest goal".

As part of its response to the GAC Advice, ICANN solicited comments from the community on this issue.  Comments from the community expressed a diversity of views on how, and whether the Board should implement the GAC advice.  

Ultimately, on 21 June 2016, the ICANN Board passed a  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-new-gtld-2015-06-21-en*2.a__;Iw!!DUT_TFPxUQ!XV0iOUDqkkSOegcgoPRsTpHbRhD8Z1dp-rXGubkkrNlzuVps9GMxf94N-l1siw_bg6Y$> resolution “requesting that the GNSO specifically include the issue of exclusive registry access for generic strings serving a public interest goal as part of the policy work it is planning to initiate on subsequent rounds of the New gTLD Program, and inform the Board on a regular basis with regards to the progress on the issue.”

Proposal for our Draft Final Report

The Implementation Review Team must create a Framework for Evaluating Closed Generic applications to determine whether those applications “serve a legitimate public interest goal.”

In order to serve a legitimate public interest goal, the following criteria, at a minimum, must be satisfied:

*	The TLD must serve a broad base of end users above and beyond the interests of the individual registry operator. For purposes of this statement, end users mean those toward which the content and use of the TLD is directed.  End Users do not mean domain name registrants.
*	The TLD must serve a demonstrated and legitimate need of that broad base of end users.
*	A governance council of “end users” must be established to ensure the TLD continues serving its legitimate public interest (“Governance Council”). 

The following factors should be used by the IRT to create such a Framework and determining whether the proposed Closed Generic application “serves a public interest goal.”

*         Why is the selected string necessary for your registry / Why did you choose this string at the exclusion of others?

*         How does the proposed closed registry serve the public interest?

*         How does the proposed mission and purpose of the registry support such use and why must it be a closed model?

*         What is the likely effect on competition of awarding the proposed closed registry for the same or similar goods and/or services?

o    Are there other strings already delegated that serve the Applicant’s industry which can be utilized by competitors?

o    If not, are there reasonable alternatives to the string that may be utilized by other entities in the Applicant’s industry in the then-current round or if proposed during a subsequent round?

*         Who are the intended “users” or beneficiaries of the TLD?    

*         What are the benefits to those users or beneficiaries of the TLD?

*         What will the governance of the TLD be and who will constitute the Governance Council?

Rules

*	 If there are more than one other application for the same or a confusingly similar string (eg., there is a contention set for the string), then none of those applications will be allowed to be a Closed Generic.
*	A Public Interest Panel shall be appointed by the ICANN Board to evaluate whether the application and the proposed use of the Closed Generic TLD serves a legitimate public interest goal.
*	All commitments made by the TLD Applicant in demonstrating its use will serve a public interest goal must be incorporated into the Registry Agreement as Public Interest Commitments.
*	The Closed Registry may not modify any Public Interest Commitments unless those changes are approved by the Governance Council and the ICANN Board after a public comment period.  
*	In the event the Registry is assigned to a third party (either by Agreement or by operation of law), all of the terms and conditions imposed on the original registry must be absorbed by the new registry including the Public Interest Commitments.
*	A Closed Generic may at any time be converted to an Open (or Open Restricted TLD) at any time, provided that at the time of such conversion, the Registry must follow all of the rules applicable to Open TLDs, including the launch of a Sunrise Process, Trademark Claims, etc.  In addition, the Registry must give up the use of all names other than the 100 names reserved under the Registry Agreement for the operation of the TLD.

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