[Gnso-newgtld-wg] [Ext] Re: Reminder: Deadline today, 16 June - Comments on Revised Draft Recommendations - Package 5

Justine Chew justine.chew at gmail.com
Wed Jun 17 02:00:12 UTC 2020 

Rubens,

*"Except for RSP Evaluation, all the other evaluations existed in 2012, and
all of them were done by outside contractors, not ICANN itself."*

I'm not entirely sure this is correct. I seem to recall that Background
Screening (or at least part of that) was undertaken by ICANN staff, but I
am happy to be corrected if I am mistaken.

In any case, an additional thought has come to mind on Anne's point - I
seem to recall that ICANN org may be contemplating moving some of the
evaluations in-house. I can't recall which ones exactly but insofar as that
is a possibility, would any of the arbiters being considered in Annex, then
change? Or are we to keep our recommendations / implementation guidance
simply on the basis of what happened for the 2012 round?

Thanks,
Justine
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On Wed, 17 Jun 2020 at 09:35, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br> wrote:

>
>
> Anne,
>
> Except for RSP Evaluation, all the other evaluations existed in 2012, and
> all of them were done by outside contractors, not ICANN itself.
> As for RSP Evaluation, it's speculated that it would be done by the same
> contractor that did PDT in 2012 and is performing RST when registries
> change back-ends, so it will likely join the other evaluations as not being
> done directly by ICANN staff.
>
> So, I believe the point that ICANN staff evaluations already have RfR as a
> possible redress mechanism is likely moot.
>
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On 16 Jun 2020, at 21:15, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman at lrrc.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> This is not a “can’t live with” issue but the observation I plan to raise
> within the IPC for Public Comment purposes is that it still appears to me
> that the appeal process in relation to evaluations made internally at ICANN
> is duplicative and potentially wasteful.  This is because we specify that
> the appeal lies within the evaluating entity (in this case, ICANN) and
> because  the Request for Reconsideration process is certainly not limited
> to a ByLaws, Mission or Core Values violation.
>
> Request for Reconsideration includes failure to take into account material
> information or relying on false information and these are standard
> incorporated into the appeal process assessment of “clearly erroneous”.
> When you consider that ICANN itself would be the appeal route for any
> evaluation decision that is done internally, the appeal becomes merely
> duplicative of the Request for Reconsideration process which was revised
> pursuant to Workstream 2 work and is still being implemented.
>
> Therefore, I personally cannot support a separate appeal in relation to
> evaluations that are done internally by ICANN.
>
> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who believes this logic is out of
> line.  (I may not have a good understanding of which processes in the chart
> involve internal evaluation by ICANN Stafff.)
>
> Thank you,
> Anne
>
> *From:* Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:32 PM
> *To:* Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman at lrrc.com>; Emily Barabas <
> emily.barabas at icann.org>; gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: [Ext] Re: Reminder: Deadline today,
> 16 June - Comments on Revised Draft Recommendations - Package 5
>
> Hi Anne, all,
>
> It probably got lost in the wall of text originally shared with you all in
> sending Package 5, but there was an extra note connected to the bullet. The
> bullet is reproduced below and you can find a link to the referenced Google
> sheet:
>
> 2.8.2 Limited Challenge/Appeal Mechanism (formerly Accountability
> Mechanisms) (last discussed 20 Apr <https://community.icann.org/x/oy2JBw>).
> Note, an Annex is referenced in this section which will eventually mean the
> spreadsheet the WG developedhere [docs.google.com]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1R4eU7C-2DHI5ikF5RtVhp5JRXKVVRn6R8WX8fIU0IOwu8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=u_18z5N8Z1-g1m-FjMfFlHTBYLpGSz1NS3Zfmgs3DNY&s=a_7ICd7qihtjzvwh5o_jJz8fGcmcuJ_nUyhVBAu2FRg&e=>
> .
> Best,
> Steve
>
>
> *From: *"Aikman-Scalese, Anne" <AAikman at lrrc.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 16, 2020 at 1:10 PM
> *To: *Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>, "gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org"
> <gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org>
> *Cc: *Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: [Ext] Re: Reminder: Deadline today,
> 16 June - Comments on Revised Draft Recommendations - Package 5
>
> Jeff and Cheryl,
> Page 79 “Ratinale for Implementation Guidance xx (rationale 5) says the WG
> has provided a summary of the types of actions or inactions that are
> inconsistent with the AGB for each type of evaluation and objection
> decision.  Since this is a “can’t live with” deadline, could we please have
> that Annex xx referred to in that rationale 5?
> Thank you,
> Anne
>
> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf
> Of *Emily Barabas
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:04 AM
> *To:* gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* [Gnso-newgtld-wg] FW: [Ext] Re: Reminder: Deadline today, 16
> June - Comments on Revised Draft Recommendations - Package 5
>
> *[EXTERNAL]*
> ------------------------------
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please see attached submission from Christopher Wilkinson with input on
> package 5.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Emily
>
>
>
> El 16 de junio de 2020 a las 11:25 Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org>
> escribió:
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> As a reminder, today is the deadline to submit comments on package 5
> revisions (details below).
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Emily
>
>
>
> *From: *Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> Steve Chan <steve.chan at icann.org>
> *Date: *Saturday, 6 June 2020 at 02:03
> *To: *"gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org" <gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Deadline 16 June - Comments on Revised Draft
> Recommendations - Package 5
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> The leadership team is releasing the fifth set of revised draft
> recommendations for your review.
>
>
>
> 1.       There are *9* *topics* *in* *package* *5 here, beginning on page*
> * 74**:* *https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Hh8Wj3IwXvi91Am1k4Zoooct2zmPOmVe1pLmjQLuQuo/edit?usp=sharing
> [docs.google.com]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1Hh8Wj3IwXvi91Am1k4Zoooct2zmPOmVe1pLmjQLuQuo_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=UAy6fqdE7uFkRCc7uzN4yui8bwTtqofadZHiQEIO1vw&m=uXGaPUSoFhKWmaFqsQ67trhkTSK9SeAw4GTGqGFtE_M&s=qX4m7Ii-oWrFm5sEB9ubA8stVlLr282zSv9_TKjy4wQ&e=>.
> Note that the Geographic Names report from Work Track 5 is provided
> separately, below.*
>
>
>
> ·        2.2.7 Metrics and Monitoring (This topic is intended to serve as
> an aggregation point for the metrics based recommendations from the various
> topics. Deliberations occurred in the context of the directly related
> topic.)
>
> ·         2.5.4 Applicant Support (last discussed 26 Mar
> <https://community.icann.org/x/ZiOJBw>)
>
> ·         2.4 Application Change Requests (last discussed 14 Apr
> <https://community.icann.org/x/nC2JBw>)
>
> ·         2.7.1 Reserved Names (last discussed 23 Apr
> <https://community.icann.org/x/py2JBw>)
>
> ·         2.8.1 Objections: GAC Early Warning and GAC Advice (last
> discussed 7 May <https://community.icann.org/x/u4PsBw>)
>
> ·        2.8.2 Limited Challenge/Appeal Mechanism (formerly
> Accountability Mechanisms) (last discussed 20 Apr
> <https://community.icann.org/x/oy2JBw>). Note, an Annex is referenced in
> this section which will eventually mean the spreadsheet the WG developed here
> [docs.google.com]
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1R4eU7C-2DHI5ikF5RtVhp5JRXKVVRn6R8WX8fIU0IOwu8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=mBQzlSaM6eYCHFBU-v48zs-QSrjHB0aWmHuE4X4drzI&m=u_18z5N8Z1-g1m-FjMfFlHTBYLpGSz1NS3Zfmgs3DNY&s=a_7ICd7qihtjzvwh5o_jJz8fGcmcuJ_nUyhVBAu2FRg&e=>
> .
>
> ·      2.8.2 Post-Delegation Dispute Resolution Procedures (formerly
> Accountability Mechanisms) (last discussed 23 Apr
> <https://community.icann.org/x/py2JBw>)
>
> ·      2.10.1 Base Registry Agreement (last discussed 9 Apr
> <https://community.icann.org/x/mS2JBw>)
>
> ·      2.7.1.2 Geographic Names (last discussed by the full WG at ICANN66
> in Montreal on 2 Nov 2019 <https://community.icann.org/x/Ao7kBg>). The
> WT5 report is available here
> <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/60490848/Work%20Track%205%20Final%20Report%20to%20the%20New%20gTLD%20SubPro%20PDP%20WG%20-%2022%20October%202019.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1571754018000&api=v2>,
> unchanged from when it was delivered to the full WG on 22 October 2019.
>
> 2.       *Please limit comments to items in the revised sections that you
> absolutely “cannot live with.” If there is text that you cannot accept,
> please fill out the attached form and send it to the WG by email.* Please
> do not provide your input in any other format.
>
>
>
> 3.       Because of the size of this particular package, the deadline for
> comments is Tuesday 16* June at* *23:59 UTC*
>
>
>
> 4.       Comments will be tracked here:
> https://community.icann.org/x/JDKJBw.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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