[Gnso-newgtld-wg] Auction of last resort and Private Resolutions

Mike Rodenbaugh mike at rodenbaugh.com
Mon Jun 29 16:54:25 UTC 2020


Marc,

I think you are just speculating that might happen.  Indeed many are
speculating that is what happened last time, without proof.  $185,000
application fee adequately prevents that kind of 'gaming' imho.

Nice to disagree with you for once ;)

Best,
Mike

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:37 AM <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
>
>
> Respectfully,  I don’t agree that  trying to prevent flooding of the  next
> round with applications for TLDs that are never intended to be operated and
> are solely for the purpose of getting a payout in a private auction only
> benefits a few very vocal members of the WG.  That objective seems
> beneficial to the community generally from my perspective.
>
>
>
> That said, I don’t agree with Ruben’s proposal and think that we need to
> be careful of creating limitations that might have unintended consequences
> including limiting innovation.  I think simpler mechanisms like a Vikrey
> auction will have better outcomes.
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> Best regards.
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> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg [mailto:gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Rodenbaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2020 11:26 AM
> *To:* Susan Payne <susan.payne at valideus.com>
> *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Auction of last resort and Private
> Resolutions
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> **EXTERNAL TO GT**
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> I am in favor of more or less the status quo.  I don't think any real
> problem was proved in the last round, to support changing the rules this
> time.  It is better (more efficient, fast and fair) for everyone to play by
> the same rules we are accustomed to, rather than change them to benefit a
> few, very vocal members of this WG.
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 9:07 AM Susan Payne <susan.payne at valideus.com>
> wrote:
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> Also dissenting Elaine, as were many on the calls we have had.
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> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf Of
> *Rubens Kuhl
> *Sent:* 29 June 2020 16:22
> *To:* gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Auction of last resort and Private
> Resolutions
>
>
>
> I agree with Paul's assessment on consensus level.
>
>
>
> Which I believe it's unfortunate, and I would personally prefer stronger
> limitations on private resolutions, such as only allowing two brand TLDs to
> form a joint-venture (or other legal mechanism).
>
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>
> Rubens
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> On 29 Jun 2020, at 12:03, McGrady, Paul D. <PMcGrady at taftlaw.com> wrote:
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> There is no, and never has been, any consensus for banning private
> auctions.  As the last call made clear, there can be some guardrails around
> applications to make sure that they are not for the sole purpose of
> participating in private auctions and that the applicants have a bona fide
> interest in running the registry.
>
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>
> As for tweaking the auction of last resort (via Vickery or otherwise) that
> really is a separate topic.  Happy to discuss on the call.
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> Best,
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> Paul
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> *Sent:* Monday, June 29, 2020 9:01 AM
> *To:* Jean Guillon <jean at guillon.com>; Pruis, Elaine <epruis at verisign.com>
> *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Auction of last resort and Private
> Resolutions
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> After all is said and done - the Vickery auction is the most elegant
> solution.
>
>
>
> It results in far fewer required evaluations, allowing greater refunds to
> more applicants.  If you are the 3rd or lower bidder for a string, you
> don’t have to pay of a useless evaluation of an application that will not
> proceed.
>
> It eliminates possibility of collusion between applicants in contention
> sets and eliminates the concerns about what may or may not happen with JVs.
>
> Treats every TLD as its own asset and doesn’t provide any advantage to
> large portfolio applicants over single string applicants.
>
> It’s clean, fast and in almost every case, can be settled in weeks, not
> years.
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>
>
> Are there corner cases that will require an adjustment for community and
> other one off scenarios with objections?  Yes – but for 95+% of applicants
> in a contention set, it just works.
>
>
>
> Unless of course you are in this process to make $$$ from losing auctions,
> whether to walk away or roll it into other auctions.  But making life
> easier or more efficient for those applicants is not the purpose of this
> program.
>
>
>
> Fair and transparent distribution of critical internet infrastructure is.
>
>
>
> We had really good discussions about this months ago, including a tweak
> from Donna on Vickery that seemed to have broad support, including from
> me.  I’m not sure how we are back at this again.
>
>
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> *From:* Gnso-newgtld-wg <gnso-newgtld-wg-bounces at icann.org> *On Behalf
> Of *Jean Guillon
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 28, 2020 4:30 PM
> *To:* Pruis, Elaine <epruis at verisign.com>
> *Cc:* gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-newgtld-wg] Auction of last resort and Private
> Resolutions
>
>
>
> I read things such as :"a “key person” whose expertise is desirable  and
> who serves on the Board or the Advisory Board at a certain consulting fee"
> and
>
> "the possibility of the “losing” applicant being required to pay a fee
> into an Applicant Support fund upon withdrawal of its application"
>
> These are good ideas but from an applicant perspective it complexifies
> greatly the application procedure.
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>
>
> I don't think that applicants should have to deal with more complex (and
> costly) procedures that only Icann insiders are able to explain.
>
>
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> The only thing missing in the next guidebook is a clear and simplified
> procedure for .BRANDs
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>
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> The next AGB should be more simple, not more complex.
>
>
>
> Jean Guillon
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> Le dim. 28 juin 2020 à 20:47, Pruis, Elaine via Gnso-newgtld-wg <
> gnso-newgtld-wg at icann.org> a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> The “auction of last resort” in 2012 was aptly named. Private resolution
> was encouraged. ICANN auctions were the very last possible remedy for
> contention sets. So it’s not surprising that 90% of contention sets were
> resolved privately. That was intentional.
>
> Keeping the option for private resolutions is reasonable- it’s the gaming
> and buyouts we’ve been asked by the board to try to prevent.
>
> If we want to avoid any of it, let’s do the Vickrey auction - put in a
> sealed bid with your application. Parties can try to make whatever deals
> they want after the TLD is delegated.  This eliminates horse trading or
> gaming or disadvantaging single applicants by paying portfolio applicants
> to lose.
>
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Aikman-Scalese, Anne <AAikman at lrrc.com>
> wrote:
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> 
>
> Dear WG Members,
>
> Re: private resolution of contention sets, I just wanted to mention again
> (as I did in chat on the last call) that apparently 90% of string
> contention sets were resolved before auction of last resort in the 2012
> round.  (My source for this is the CCWG Auction Proceeds group so let me
> know if you disagree on this statistic.)  This means private resolution is
> by far “the rule” in resolving string contention.
>
>
>
> It seems to me that promoting “joint ventures” of 2 or more applicants for
> the string will very easily result in “buy-outs” and “horse trading”.  An
> applicant who really wants to win will need only to structure a revised
> “change request” application in which (a) the other party becomes a “silent
> partner” or (b) is named a “key person” whose expertise is desirable  and
> who serves on the Board or the Advisory Board at a certain consulting fee.
> The “silent partner” and/or Advisory Board member agrees in exchange to
> withdraw the competing application.  We should be thinking of ways to
> address this.  I had suggested the possibility of the “losing” applicant
> being required to pay a fee into an Applicant Support fund upon withdrawal
> of its application if it (or one of its principals) participates in the
> so-called “joint venture” revised application.
>
>
>
> Separately, loose references to the organizational structure known as
> Joint Venture are probably ill-advised.  That form of corporate structure
> is rarely pursued in this day owing to the high degree of risk of liability
> taken on by each joint venturer for the acts or omissions of the other
> joint venturer(s).  Whatever we recommend as a matter of policy, it might
> be better to adopt some sort of neutral terminology such as “ revised
> business combination applicant” terminology.
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> Anne
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