[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 12 August 2014 at 1400 UTC
Terri Agnew
terri.agnew at icann.org
Tue Aug 12 19:11:13 UTC 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 12 August 2014 at 14:00 UTC at:
<http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140812-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140812-en.mp3
On page:
<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
Attendees:
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Sarah Wyld - RrSG
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Darcy Southwell - RrSG
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Val Sherman – IPC
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Susan Kawaguchi – BC
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Frank Michlick – Individual
Luc Seufer- RrSG
Volker Greimann-RrSG
Don Blumenthal – RySG
Libby Baney-BC
Holly Raiche – ALAC
David Heasley-IPC
Jim Bikoff-IPC
Stephanie Perrin – NCSG
Paul McGrady – IPC
Carlton Samuels – ALAC
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP
Keith Kupferschmid- IPC
Phil Marano - IPC
James Bladel - RrSG
Amr Elsadr - NCUC
Susan Prosser - RrSG
Christian Dawson-ISPCP
Apologies:
Alex Deacon – IPC
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid – RrSG
Michele Neylon – RrSG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Amy Bivins
Danielle Andela
Terri Agnew
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Mailing list archives:
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Wiki page:
<https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg
Thank you.
Kind regards,
Terri Agnew
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 12 August 2014:
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 12 August 2014
Val Sherman:Good morning all
Chris Pelling:Afternoon all :)
Don Blumenthal:First mute reminder of the morning.
Carlton Samuels:Morning all
Carlton Samuels:Hi DOn
Holly Raiche:Evening all
Carlton Samuels:Hi Holly
Holly Raiche:@ Carlton - Hi There
Danielle Andela:Good morning from LA!
Bladel:James also here. :)
Carlton Samuels:We have an echo
Luc Seufer:Afternoon
Carlton Samuels:No Don.
Graeme Bunton:Yep
Carlton Samuels:Still echo
Chris Pelling:nope
Val Sherman:nope
Keith Kupferschmid:no echo here
Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff and Luc Seufer has joined
O. Novoa:the sound is OK for me
Carlton Samuels:Good now; no echo
Mary Wong:Please use either the AC audio or the phone bridge, and mute your mic when not speaking in any case.
Terri Agnew:Stephanie Perrin has joined
Mary Wong:Yes, 6 hotl nights per SG
Terri Agnew:Stephanie Perrin has joined
Mary Wong:hotel
Terri Agnew:Susan Kawaguchi has joined
stephanie perrin:Can't hear Steve...
stephanie perrin:sorry ignore that...
Terri Agnew:Frank Michlick has joined
Terri Agnew:Amr Elsadr has joined
Graeme Bunton:Chilling effect
Bladel:An equivalent example would be TMCH claims on generic terms, intimidating registratns to abandon legitimate registrations.
Terri Agnew:Susan Prosser has joined
Bladel:But at a minimum, there should be an escalation path.
Carlton Samuels:How do you validate that standard except to check against a set of attributes?
Carlton Samuels:..and what would 'checking' entail? Who would have the duty of care? The sender or the P/P provider?
Terri Agnew:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has sent apologies
Holly Raiche:Arguably, the duty of care is on the middle person - the P/P provider?
Graeme Bunton:That's useful insight James
Carlton Samuels:end user as in the P/P customer?
steve metalitz:+1 Paul: the p/p customer may be more harmed by provider's failure to relay than by the relay
Luc Seufer:For once, I will differ from my registrar colleagues. I am fine relaying (as in putting in place an fully automated email forwarding system). I don't want to be put in a position where I am to judge the merit of a complaint that isn't addressed to us
Bladel:Not concerned about that, to be honeset.
Bladel:The Registration Agreement requires the registrant to abide by ICANN policies, and the PP service agreement would probably do the same.
Luc Seufer:In any case we'll happily provide them with an email service with a strong anti-spam filter to block those unsolicited emails
Graeme Bunton:And that discretion is used every day...
Chris Pelling:for example to Volker point, the email from one registrar to another registrar for the right of transfer, this email being excluded if requested by the customer to protect their domain
Chris Pelling:from hijacking
Bladel:I agree with Steve.
Bladel:The status quo is "no standard." So we are definitely changing that.
stephanie perrin:I think Volker is correct, and this calls for a very serious risk assessment.
Carlton Samuels:I would have thought the reason for the specs is that the 'status quo' is all over the place. So, is there a practice we could look to as 'best practice'?
Holly Raiche:Refer back to the Whois FinalReport - and its recommendation for a P/P accreditation process - which is where we are now
Chris Pelling:Michele has wanted to voice his support and position the same as Luc
Carlton Samuels:And if it can be identified, can we bring it gorward here for advice and consent?
Terri Agnew:Christian Dawson has joined
Volker Greimann:wow
Chris Pelling:are they ok ?
Carlton Samuels:Damn!
Amr Elsadr:!!
stephanie perrin:We need to identify the problem before we identify best practice, it seems to me.
Luc Seufer:I told them house 145! Darn it they hit the wrong one again
Carlton Samuels:Hope your neighbour is physically not damaged
Carlton Samuels:@Luc: LOLOLOL
O. Novoa:sorry but I have to leave, my flight is boarding. bye
Holly Raiche:Agree with Stephanie's question
Carlton Samuels:Need to have better oversight of your taliban my friend
Terri Agnew:Bye Osvaldo
Carlton Samuels:@Stephanie: +1. Which is why I asked for establishing the problem by its attributes THEN from that would flow the best practice for treating it
Chris Pelling:Volker does that not come down to having to read the comm then
Don Blumenthal:One reason for a privacy registration. Folks don't know what address to aim for..
Terri Agnew:Michele Neylon sends his apologies
Luc Seufer:@DOn good one!
Chris Pelling:@Don - USP
Volker Greimann:someone is talking in the back
Volker Greimann:can hardly hear James
Don Blumenthal:James, a paper version of a DDoS?
Amr Elsadr:I'm not hearing anything in the background Volker. Is it your line?
Chris Pelling:@Don lol
Volker Greimann:it seems to be the operators
Chris Pelling:@James totally correct
Carlton Samuels:@physical communication. You get a chance to eyeball it. So I quite agree at minimum there must be leeway for the P/P provider to use best judgment for forwarding.
Amr Elsadr:Maybe an email notification to the customer asking if they would like the physical mail sent + covering the cost??
Graeme Bunton:We recently got a an elaborate and large piece of burned wood art sent to our service
Carlton Samuels:Respect to costs, that should be between the P/P provider and its customer.
Chris Pelling:sorry the cost should not be born by the customer
Chris Pelling:its the sender that wants to send something
Holly Raiche:I I thought where we got up to last week was to confine reqirements to email and then P/P providerscan offer services above hat (unless there is no email relay?
Paul McGrady:Thanks everyone. I need to drop off for my next call.
Bladel:I agree there are interdependencies
Chris Pelling:agree with holly in that I thought this was sorted last week
Bladel:I am sorry, I need to drop the call.
Volker Greimann:oh bugger, yes, it was my issue
Chris Pelling:Don again that takes the rights of the individual away
Luc Seufer:limit forwarding to reasonable limits. e.g. 2 meg. email will be forwarded / 2 pages document sent by registred mail will be scanned and emailed.
Carlton Samuels:@Susan: I would not go there. The P/P provider would ahve established a contact modality with the customer as a base requirement for accredtation.
Chris Pelling:ie the rights of the domain owner
Amr Elsadr:Thanks.
Carlton Samuels:I would sanction relay by whatever means they establish
Amr Elsadr:Bye.
Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks all
Danielle Andela:thanks
Luc Seufer:thanks
Carlton Samuels:Thanks all
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