[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal contactability

Mon Aug 18 18:46:27 UTC 2014

We already get wrapped around enough axles. Let me suggest that we work on the basis of what we have now and what might happen in a couple of years.

Don

From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
Date: Monday, August 18, 2014 at 2:16 PM
To: Steven Metalitz <met at msk.com<mailto:met at msk.com>>, Valeriya Sherman <VSherman at sgbdc.com<mailto:VSherman at sgbdc.com>>, "Williams, Todd" <Todd.Williams at turner.com<mailto:Todd.Williams at turner.com>>, PPSAI <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal contactability

Hi Steve,

this is currently the case, but I believe one of the suggestions of the EWG was that the country of the registrants residency be a field that is always published.

An I maybe misphrased the "required to read". I meant it to mean "to have appear in his mailbox".

Volker

Am 18.08.2014 20:05, schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
By definition, the jurisdiction of the registrant (p/p service customer)  is generally unknown to the third party at the time the relay request for the legal claim is made.

A registrant is definitely better off knowing about a “foreign” legal claim.  That is a separate question from whether a foreign court can claim jurisdiction over the registrant for that claim – which is often a very complicated question that is by no means limited to where the registrant is physically present.

Finally, please, no one is “required to read” anything that is relayed to them.    I think that is common ground that was established much earlier in our discussion.

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal contactability

Hi Valeriya,

just as a counterpoint, I do not believe it should be "any jurisdiction".
I would accept jurisdiction of the registrant, the service provider and (if affiliated) the registrar, but thats where it stops. Why should a registrant based in Dubai be required to be bothered by a US legal instrument that is not legally binding on him? Why should a US registrant be required to read a Saudi legal complaint?

Best,
Volker

Am 18.08.2014 19:03, schrieb Valeriya Sherman:
Hi Volker,

A "legal communication" is certainly something we would have to carefully define as a group, but as a starting point, I would define it as any communication by an individual or entity that asserts a problem connected to the ownership or use of a domain name by the beneficial registrant based on and citing the laws of any jurisdiction. The communication need not threaten a lawsuit, or be made by a law firm to constitute a "legal communication."  The communication would be submitted via the accepted, to-be-determined means of communication.

Best,
Val

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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal contactability
Hi Valeriya,
Another narrower approach would be to ensure that all communications that contain legal complaints are relayed without exception. To be clear, under this approach, there would be no content evaluation, other than to determine that any given communication is or contains a legal complaint.
What is a legal communication though? Does it have to include a threat of a law suit? Does it have to include formal legal representation by a law firm?
Also, this should be limited to the means of communication offered by the service provider, i.e. if postal relay is not offered, legal communications by postal mail would face the same fate as spam, i.e. the bin...

Best,

volker

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