[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Mary Wong mary.wong at icann.org
Tue Feb 11 14:30:16 UTC 2014 

Ro clarify the meanings of the terms Relay and Reveal, as used in the GNSO's
Terms of Reference for a proposed Privacy & Proxy Relay & Reveal Study
(dating from 2010):

* For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be reached directly at
addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy/Proxy-registered
domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees cannot be reached
directly via WHOIS- published addresses. Instead, communication relay
requests may be sent to the Privacy/Proxy service provider published in
WHOIS, or attempted using addresses obtained from other sources, websites or
communications associated with the domain.
* For many domains (including those registered via Privacy services), the
Registered Name Holder's identity is published directly in WHOIS. However,
for domains registered via Proxy services, the name of the licensee is not
published in WHOIS; third party licensees can typically only be identified
by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee's identity, given reasonable
evidence of actionable harm.
FYI these were the definitions we used in for this WG's outreach letters to
the SO/AC/SG/Cs recently.

As some WG members know, the proposed Study was not done; instead, a
Pre-Feasibility Survey for such a study was performed by Interisle
Consulting, whose report in August 2012 has the following usages:
* For Relay Handling - For many domains, Registered Name Holders can be
reached directly at addresses obtained from WHOIS. However, for Privacy- or
Proxy-registered domains, Registered Name Holders or third party licensees
cannot be reached directly via WHOIS-published addresses. Instead,
communication with the Registered Name Holder may be attempted by sending a
request to the Privacy or Proxy service provider published in WHOIS to relay
the message to theRegistered Name Holder or third party licensee.
Communication may also be attempted using addresses obtained from other
sources, websites, or communications associated with the domain.

* For Reveal Handling -  For many domains (including those registered via
Privacy services), the Registered Name Holder¹s identity is published
directly in WHOIS. However, for domains registered via Proxy services, the
name of the licensee is not published in WHOIS; third party licensees can
typically be identified only by asking the Proxy to reveal the licensee¹s
identity. 

I hope the above helps clarify the two terms.

Cheers
Mary

Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: mary.wong at icann.org

* One World. One Internet. *

From:  "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
Date:  Tuesday, February 11, 2014 10:20 PM
To:  Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>, Marika Konings
<marika.konings at icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria"
<GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>
Cc:  "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject:  Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

> No.  This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.
> 
> http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13-e
> n.htm#privacy-proxy
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06
> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema
> Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>
> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
> 
> So it¹s not in the RAA then is it?
>  
> Regards
>  
> Michele
>  
>  
> 
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Locall: 1850 929 929
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>  
> 
> From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM
> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> 
> Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February
> 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Marika
> 
>  
> 
> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56
> To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>, Marika Konings
> <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
> 
>  
> 
> Gema
>  
> Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?
>  
> I¹m looking at the 2013 RAA¹s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see
> this.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Michele
>  
>  
> 
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Locall: 1850 929 929
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>  
> 
> From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez,
> Gema Maria
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM
> To: Marika Konings
> Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines ³relay² and in a very
> confusing way, mixing it with ³reveal².
>  
> 5) Relay Information Requests
> See study # 20 for this term¹s use in context.
> Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names.
> Allegations of
> actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement
> officials and
> others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to
> contact the
> domain name user. Potential ³harms² could include suspected fraud,
> intellectual property
> rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To
> support the
> relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely
> means of
> communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation
> Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the
> domain licensee
> upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting
> harm.
>  
> So, I insist definitions of ³relay², ³reveal² and ³publication² are included
> in the ³Grouping of Charter Questions² paper or else, referenced to a document
> that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.
>  
> Thank you again and best regards,
>  
>  
> 
> Gema
>  
> 
> De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org]
> Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16
> Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> 
> Dear Gema,
> 
>  
> 
> I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG
> wiki (background documents ­ see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).
> 
>  
> 
> Best regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Marika
> 
>  
> 
> From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>
> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50
> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
> 
>  
> 
> Dear Marika, 
>   
> Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In
> footnote 7 of the ³Grouping of Charter Questions² paper, there is a reference
> to the ³Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background
> Documents).², but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point
> me to the paper I have to look up?
>   
> Thank you so much,
>   
> Gema 
>   


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