[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal

Tue Feb 11 14:43:49 UTC 2014

Am I correct in assuming that the following snippet from the 2013 agreement is (also) undefined:   and the identity of the licensee 
When are we going to define what we mean by that?
Stephanie Perrin
On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:32 AM, James M. Bladel <jbladel at godaddy.com> wrote:

> RAA Section 3.7.7.3 can be a bit of a lightning rod and is often applied to P/P situations (and daily efforts to incorrectly extend it to things like spam, gambling, hate speech, cyberbullying, etc.)  I think it is too broad for our purposes.
> 
> Thanks—
> 
> J.
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> 
> From: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:14 
> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>
> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
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> Michele, I found this language in the 2001 RAA:
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> 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.
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> And in the 2009 RAA:
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> 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.
> 
> And the 2013 RAA:
> 
> 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.
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> Presumably that is the provision referenced?
> 
> Marika
> 
> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 15:06
> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>
> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
> 
> So it’s not in the RAA then is it?
>  
> Regards
>  
> Michele
>  
>  
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> From: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM
> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> Marika
>  
> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56
> To: "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> Gema
>  
> Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?
>  
> I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Michele
>  
>  
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Locall: 1850 929 929
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
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> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>  
> From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM
> To: Marika Konings
> Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines “relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it with “reveal”.
>  
> 5) Relay Information Requests
> See study # 20 for this term’s use in context.
> Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of
> actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and
> others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the
> domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property
> rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the
> relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of
> communicating with their domain licensees. The ICANN Registrar Accreditation
> Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee
> upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.
>  
> So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context of Proxy-Privacy Services.
>  
> Thank you again and best regards,
>  
>  
> Gema
>  
> De: Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org] 
> Enviado el: martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16
> Para: Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> Asunto: Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> Dear Gema,
>  
> I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> Marika
>  
> From: "<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>
> Date: Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50
> To: Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org>
> Subject: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>  
> Dear Marika,
>  
> Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?
>  
> Thank you so much,
>  
> Gema
>  
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