[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Tue Feb 11 17:12:50 UTC 2014
Hi Margie,
as the terms license, licensee or licensed are not capitalized, we
cannot infer that both sections actually mean the same thing.
Volker
Am 11.02.2014 17:55, schrieb Margie Milam:
>
> Don & All-
>
> Maybe this will help clear up the confusion- from the definition of
> Proxy Service under the 2013 RAA Spec:
>
> 1.3 "Proxy Service" is a service through which a Registered Name
> Holder licenses use of a Registered Name to the P/P Customer in order
> to provide the P/P Customer use of the domain name, and the Registered
> Name Holder's contact information is displayed in the Registration
> Data Service (Whois) or equivalent services rather than the P/P
> Customer's contact information.
>
> All the best,
>
> Margie
>
> *From:*Don Blumenthal [mailto:dblumenthal at pir.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:48 AM
> *To:* Margie Milam; Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication,
> reveal
>
> I get more baffled as we go with this thread. How would the beneficial
> holder of a domain be in a license arrangement with a p/p provider? I
> can't see it under any definition of the term "license" that I have
> seen. Examples welcome for educational purposes but the final word
> won't be up to the WG. We will pull the points made in this thread and
> use them to frame our questions for GC.
>
> Don
>
> *From: *Margie Milam <Margie.Milam at icann.org
> <mailto:Margie.Milam at icann.org>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM
> *To: *Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>, PPSAI
> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication,
> reveal
>
> Also--- the P/P Specification from the 2013 RAA also refers to licensee:
>
> 1.1"P/P Customer" means, regardless of the terminology used by the P/P
> Provider, the licensee, customer, beneficial user, beneficiary, or
> other recipient of Privacy Services and Proxy Services
>
> All the best,
>
> Margie
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Margie Milam
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:24 AM
> *To:* Volker Greimann; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication,
> reveal
>
> Hi Volker & All-
>
> I am not aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or any of
> the previous versions.
>
> However, please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA that
> uses the term "licensee" in the context of proxy registration services:
>
> 3.4.1.5 the name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice telephone
> number provided by the customer of any privacy service or licensee of
> any proxy registration service, in each case, offered or made
> available by Registrar or its Affiliates in connection with each
> registration. Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a
> Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance with Section
> 3.14, the obligations under this Section 3.4.1.5 will cease to apply
> as to any specific category of data (such as postal address) that is
> expressly required to be retained by another party in accordance with
> such Proxy Accreditation Program.
>
> Margie
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Volker
> Greimann
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication,
> reveal
>
> Hi Margie,
>
> as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement over what
> the term "licensing" means and if it should apply to privacy or proxy
> services.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie Milam:
>
> All-
>
> I think the language you are looking for is in the body of the
> 2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below:
>
> 3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of
> a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name
> Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full
> contact information and for providing and updating accurate
> technical and administrative contact information adequate to
> facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in
> connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder
> licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision
> shall accept liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the
> Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact
> information provided by the licensee and the identity of the
> licensee within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered
> Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.
>
> Margie
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *James
> M. Bladel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika Konings; Campillos
> Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay,
> publication, reveal
>
> No. This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.
>
> http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13-en.htm#privacy-proxy
>
> J.
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com
> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06
> *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org
> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema
> Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es <mailto:GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>>
> *Cc: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay,
> publication, reveal
>
> So it's not in the RAA then is it?
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
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>
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> *From:*Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>
> Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in
> February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version
> of the RAA.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com
> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
> *Date: *Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56
> *To: *"Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es
> <mailto:GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>>, Marika Konings
> <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> *Cc: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>
> Gema
>
> Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?
>
> I'm looking at the 2013 RAA's proxy / privacy specification and I
> cannot see this.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
>
> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
>
> http://www.blacknight.co/
>
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>
> http://www.technology.ie
>
> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>
> Locall: 1850 929 929
>
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>
> Fax. +353 (0) 1 4811 763
>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> Park,Sleaty
>
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM
> *To:* Marika Konings
> *Cc:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay,
> publication, reveal
>
> Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines "relay" and in a
> very confusing way, mixing it with "reveal".
>
> 5) Relay Information Requests
>
> See study # 20 for this term's use in context.
>
> Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered
> names. Allegations of
>
> actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law
> enforcement officials and
>
> others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service
> provider to contact the
>
> domain name user. Potential "harms" could include suspected fraud,
> intellectual property
>
> rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or
> criminal laws. To support the
>
> relay of information requests, service providers must have
> reliable and timely means of
>
> communicating with their domain licensees.*The ICANN Registrar
> Accreditation*
>
> *Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the
> identity of the domain licensee*
>
> *upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for
> resulting harm.*
>
> So, I insist definitions of "relay", "reveal" and "publication"
> are included in the "Grouping of Charter Questions" paper or else,
> referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context
> of Proxy-Privacy Services.
>
> Thank you again and best regards,
>
> Gema
>
> *De:*Marika Konings [mailto:marika.konings at icann.org]
> *Enviado el:* martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16
> *Para:* Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria
> *Asunto:* Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>
> Dear Gema,
>
> I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted
> on the WG wiki (background documents -- see
> https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> *From: *"<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es
> <mailto:GCAMPILLOS at minetur.es>>
> *Date: *Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50
> *To: *Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org
> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *definitions of relay, publication, reveal
>
> Dear Marika,
>
> Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the
> heading? In footnote 7 of the "Grouping of Charter Questions"
> paper, there is a reference to the "Terms of Reference for GNSO
> Whois Studies (refer to WG Background Documents).", but I am not
> able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper
> I have to look up?
>
> Thank you so much,
>
> Gema
>
>
>
>
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