[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Carlton's closing chat question

[Holly Raiche]

Hi Everyone - including Stephanie

I think we are at the stage of asking questions - not answering them.  So the question we ask has to be whether there should be some group (however defined) that should not be able to use the service - or have special rules around use - or not.  And the next question is to try to draw lines around that group.

Holly




On 20/01/2014, at 9:44 AM, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

> I dont want to keep beating a dead horse here....but if there is a resounding response of "yes indeed, bar commercial entities from using P/P services", then how are you going to propose that p/p proxy service providers determine who is a commercial entity, particularly in jurisdictions which have declined to regulate the provision of goods and services over the Internet?  I don't like asking questions that walk us into corners we cannot get out of.  Do the fraudsters we are worried about actually apply for business numbers and articles of incorporation in the jurisdictions in which they operate?  I operate in  a jurisdiction where this distinction is often extremely difficult to make.  THe determination would depend on the precise use being made of the domain name....which gets ICANN squarely into content analysis, and which can hardly be done for new registrations, even if t were within ICANN's remit.  
> I am honestly not trying to be difficult, but I just have not heard a good answer to this problem.
> Stephanie Perrin
> On 2014-01-19, at 4:38 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
> 
>> Jin and all
>> 
>> I agree with Jim here (and Don earlier).  The important task here is agreeing on the questions to be asked of the SO/ACs.  So we need to get back to framing the questions - not answering them, however tempting that may be.  
>> 
>> So the question of whether 'commercial entities' should be barred is still a useful question to ask.  The next question would be whether there are possible distinctions that should be drawn between an entity that can use the service and one that can't and, if so, where is the line drawn. I agree with the discussion on how difficult that will be because many entities that have corporate status also have reasonable grounds for wanting the protection of such a service (human rights organisations or women's refuges come to mind).   But that is the sort of response we are seeking from others outside of this group - so let's not prejudge answers.  Let's only frame the questions that will help us come to some sensible answers.  Otherwise, we'll never get to the next steps.
>> 
>> And my apologies for the next meeting.  I have a long day ahead on Wednesday (Sydney time) and taking calls at 2.00am won't help.  So Ill read the transcript and be back in a fortnight (2 weeks for those who do not use the term)
>> 
>> Holly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16/01/2014, at 5:39 AM, Jim Bikoff wrote:
>> 
>>> Don and all,
>>>  
>>> As we suggested earlier, and discussed in the last Group teleconference, it might be helpful, as a next step, if we reached a consensus on the groups of questions before sending them out to SO/ACs and SG/Cs.   
>>>  
>>> This would involve two steps: First, agreeing on the name of each group; and second, streamlining the questions in each group. 
>>>  
>>> In the first step, we could consider alternative headings (perhaps REGISTRATION instead of MAINTENANCE).
>>>  
>>> And in the second step, we could remove duplicative or vague questions.
>>>  
>>> This crystallization would make the questions more approachable, and encourage better responses. 
>>>  
>>> I hope these ideas are helpful.
>>>  
>>> Best,
>>>  
>>> Jim
>>>  
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>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Don Blumenthal <dblumenthal at pir.org>
>>> Date: January 14, 2014 11:09:23 AM EST
>>> To: PPSAI <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Carlton's closing chat question
>>> Carlton posted an issue that shouldn’t wait a week:
>>>  
>>> “John came up with 4 groups. Do we have a notion that others might be extracted?  And where do we include/modify questions to address Stephanie's issue?"
>>>  
>>> Jim had four groups and an umbrella Main category, which may be instructive in itself in guiding how we proceed organizationally. Regardless, the consensus of commenters has been that his document is a significant improvement over where we were before, and I suggest that we use it as a baseline. However, we still have work to do on it. Feel free to suggest modifications. 
>>>  
>>> Don
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