[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Privacy/Proxy and spam/botnets

[Don Blumenthal]

Bob,

I wrote my first program before 1973. I won’t be specific for fear that
nobody will top me, as it were. Of course saying “before 1973” may already
have exposed me to that. :)

And Whois will be around for a long time. Kind of like My New York born
mother still refers to Avenue of the Americas as 6th Avenue and, to use a
timely reference, MLK Boulevard in Cleveland always will be Liberty
Boulevard to me. Old habits.... To New Yorkers, yes I know that part of
the stretch still is labeled as 6th Ave.

Don


On 1/20/14, 3:34 PM, "Bob Bruen" <bruen at coldrain.net> wrote:

>
>Hi Don,
>
>I wrote my first program in 1973, involved with 'Net since 1979 and was
>involved w/ CERN in 1989. I pretty much know what happened :)
>
>I think that the term "whois" will be around for quite a while...
>
>                   --bob
>
>On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Don Blumenthal wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> The rules for access to domain registration data were developed well
>> before the Internet spread beyond governments and universities. They
>>were
>> developed even longer before commercial email systems and Tim B-L began
>> the processes that made it accessible to non-geeks, and it was a little
>> more time until the Internet commercialized. At the risk of intruding on
>> EWG territory, should the community base decisions on the realities then
>> or should it look at what the Internet is now and act accordingly?
>>
>> FWIW, I plan to use "domain registration data" instead of "whois² except
>> when talking about specific existing protocols and systems. That¹s what
>> the information is, and at the risk of reading tea leaves, ³whois² will
>> disappear as an active term in both the protocol and data management
>>space
>> before long. Define ³long² however you want.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/20/14, 12:59 PM, "Bob Bruen" <bruen at coldrain.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Volker,
>>>
>>> As just a human being, I also believe in data protection and data
>>> privacy,
>>> as well information that needs to be public should be and information
>>> that
>>> does not should not.
>>>
>>> However, whois data was intended to public, so taking away public
>>>access
>>> is extreme. (I am only concerned with the money, not individuals).
>>>
>>> You do not get to decide what I think I need, nor what the rest of the
>>> public needs. We can all decide for ourselves.
>>>
>>> I, for example, wish the NSA had not decided that I did not need to
>>>know
>>> what they were doing. But that is way of topic.
>>>
>>>                   --bob
>>>
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a European, I believe in data protection and data privacy.
>>>> Information
>>>> that needs to be public should be. Information that does not should
>>>> not. "The
>>>> public" indeed does not need that data. If you think that is
>>>>extreme...
>>>>
>>>> BTW: I also have an issue with tapping phones, logging connection
>>>>data,
>>>> logging private communication, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Volker
>>>>
>>>> Am 20.01.2014 18:36, schrieb Bob Bruen:
>>>>> Hi Volker,
>>>>>
>>>>> Law Enforcement has been compaining for years about access to whois
>>>>> and
>>>>> still do. This is just an obstacle thrown up to slow down finding who
>>>>> the
>>>>> bad actors are. Getting court orders and warrants just to see who
>>>>>owns
>>>>> a
>>>>> domain (commercial) is way out there. The information was intended to
>>>>> be
>>>>> public in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> It appears that you have decided that the general public does not
>>>>> deserve
>>>>> access to public whois data. Again, I do not know what to say to
>>>>> something
>>>>> so extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>>                --bob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No identities of criminals are effectively protected by privacy
>>>>>> services,
>>>>>> provided they are required to reveal such
>>>>>> identities to law enforcement of appropriate jurisdiction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Private individuals, vigilantes or other interested parties on the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> hand have no real legitimate interest to receive
>>>>>> data on alleged criminals data unless they want to take matters best
>>>>>> left
>>>>>> to LEAs into their own hands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a reason why even criminals have the right to privacy and
>>>>>> not to
>>>>>> have their full names and likenesses published.
>>>>>> Heck, in Japan, TV stations even mosaic handcuffs of suspects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>
>-- 
>Dr. Robert Bruen
>Cold Rain Labs
>http://coldrain.net/bruen
>+1.802.579.6288