[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Wed May 21 16:43:50 UTC 2014

As to the questions posed by Steve pertaining to C.3:

   1. As you know, we believe p/p services should be available to
   commercial entities, unless and until the domain name is actively used for
   the sale of goods or services. So, we are a "partial yes" on commercial
   entities.
   2. However, in direct answer to Steve's question, for p/p domain name
   registration for commercial entities not using the domain name for
   commercial transactions, we agree with Luc, Volker, Michele and (I think)
   everyone so far that the data in the Whois record should be consistent,
   irrespective of whether it is a non-commercial registrant or a commercial
   registrant.

As to a flag, I think Kathy is correct that we have agreed that accredited
p/p providers should identify themselves in the "registrant" line of the
Whois record, and I assume this could be checked against an approved p/p
provider ICANN list. However, Michele's point is an interesting one. We
have seen instances in which a registrant is, without approval, putting,
say, GoDaddy's or eNom's p/p Whois information into the Whois field (and
being registered with an entirely different registrar). If I understand
Michele's point, a flag here -- presumably only insertable by the registrar
(not the registrant) -- would help to identify instances in which the p/p
service is legitimately being used. Michele, is that the idea?

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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 8:19 AM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>wrote:

>  I share the questions James is raising.  All, I thought we already
> agreed that accredited p/p providers have to identify themselves in the
> "Registrant line" of the Whois listing. So that it is obvious to someone
> reviewing the Whois record what they are seeking, and who to contact for
> the underlying customer information.  In that case, do we still need a new
> flag?
>
> Best,
> Kathy
> :
>
> Are we talking about a new kind of status?  I think any flag would have to
> be in the data field itself.  The P/P provider cannot create a new field
> for the “flag” or set /clear flags in WHOIS.  That’s the Registrar.
>
>  For example, if there is some future equivalent to IANA ID numbers for
> P/P services, they should append this to their name in WHOIS.
>
>  J.
>
>
>   From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 at 7:52
> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>, "
> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>
>   Volker
>
>
>
> Would you have an issue with there being an extra "flag" to indicate that
> a domain was using a PP?
>
>
>
> M
>
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>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
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> *From:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Volker Greimann
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:55 AM
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>
>
>
> Agreed.
>
> 1) There is no compelling reason to exclude potentially legal use of
> privacy services.
> 2) The service provided essentially remains the same, therefore no
> differentiation in the whois output is necessary.
>
> Volker
>
>  Am 21.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>
> Personally I think two things:
>
> 1 – P/P services should be open to anyone who wants to use them
>
> 2 – the display in whois should be the same no matter who or what has
> registered the domain
>
>
>
> With respect to point 2, I don’t have any issue with there being a “flag”
> of some kind to indicate that a registration record is using an accredited
> P/P
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Mr Michele Neylon
>
> Blacknight Solutions
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> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
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> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Metalitz, Steven
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:07 PM
> *To:* 'Marika Konings'; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>
>
>
> Thanks to all participants on today’s call.  Following up on requests made
> on the call ----
>
>
>
> Regarding Don’s draft preliminary text regarding questions C(threshold), C
> 1 and C2, please circulate your comments and (especially welcomed!)
> proposed edits.  Don’s draft is re-attached here for ready reference.
>
>
>
> Regarding question C.3:  If the following applies to you, please respond
> on the list:
>
>
>
> IF you believe that privacy/proxy services ought to be open to commercial
> entities under some circumstances, THEN should there be a difference in the
> data displayed for such registrations (vs. what is displayed for p/p
> registrations by natural persons)?  If the answer is YES, please specify
> the differences.
>
>
>
> For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope that any YES people
> will step forward on the list.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Steve Metalitz, vice chair
>
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> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Marika Konings
> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 3:39 PM
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
>
>
> Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI WG Meeting.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Marika
>
>
>
> *Proposed Agenda – PPSAI WG Meeting – 20 May 2014*
>
>    1. Roll Call / SOI
>    2. Review proposed preliminary conclusion for threshold question, C1
>    and C2 (as circulated by Don)
>    3. Review C3 – is additional response/discussion needed in light of
>    item 2? (see template attached)
>    4. Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated template attached)
>    5. Next steps / confirm next meeting
>
>
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