[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Fri May 23 14:20:56 UTC 2014

Hi Kiran,

I was not on that call, I just read the transcript mind you with regards 
the "mother comment".

Really - can we simply move on ?  You are on holiday (hopefully 
somewhere nice and sunny if you like Sun), and if you feel you need an 
apology, take it off list and direct with the person you feel needs to 
give you that apology.  You (and maybe others) clearly have an issue 
with it, let me put it another way.  My mother is 70 this year, she has 
a pc, I have been in this industry for near 18 years, and if I asked her 
what whois is - she would not know, but, could use google to find out.

My wife is also now a mother (6 months 3 days in, Im 41 and wasn't Grey 
until circa 6 months 5 days ago) before knowing me, Jules (my wife) did 
not know what whois was or is, in fact she only knows what it is because 
of seeing me use it in day to day business. Now, you could argue that if 
you did a straw poll to 150 Ladies, some will and some won't know.

You are in the industry, you will know what it is, similar to all the 
women/ladies/females (say all and thus cant get in trouble for being 
sexist) in this list as its "our job" (collectively) to know.

I think we need to move on, if you want your apology, that's between you 
and that person - please email them (they must know you are unhappy from 
reading the list).

I think as James mentioned we need one of Chairs/Vice chairs to simply 
move us on, and back to the job in hand.  We have a lot to do, let's all 
get on with it together.

Kind regards,

Chris

On 23/05/2014 2:52 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
> Volker,
>
> I actually can NOT believe that you are attempting to justify a comment that is so clearly sexist and demeaning on it's face.  Of course you don't see the offense in a comment that does not apply to you.
>
> I will not apologize or back down from my pending request for an apology in that matter.
>
> That being said, at what point have I refused to discuss or contribute to the substance, or "meat" of the issue? At what point did my request for an apology color my contribution or my willingness to engage?
>
> If you will go back and look at my earlier email, I only used the sexist comment to illustrate that there is, largely, no "blood feud" as you put it.
>
> K
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Internet Policy Counselor
> MarkMonitor
> 415-419-9138 (m)
>
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
>> On May 23, 2014, at 8:38 AM, "Volker Greimann" <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that part of the problem? Needing an apology for a comment that was in all likelyhood not meant as an offense?
>>
>> I did not make the comment and I do not remember who did, but my mother does not know what whois is yet she is quite internet savvy. Do we really need to put every word uttered up for debate? Would the comment have been better as "97.63% of all mothers probably don't know what Whois is"? Should we really care about this more than the substantive issues we are trying to solve here?
>>
>> If we all agree to try not to be offended by every word said in haste or without concern, we might actually get this done. Let us focus on the meat, not the fluff or distractions.
>>
>> Edit: Now I looked at the transcript and know who said what, but I cannot for the heck see an intentional insult there. Agreed to move on?
>>
>> Enjoy your vacation,
>>
>> V.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 23.05.2014 15:24, schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
>>> So then we agree to elevate the level of discourse, which is my point.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I'm still waiting for an apology from whoever said that "mothers don't know what Whois is." Other than that, I see no "feud," but I do think that there is an inordinate amount of individuals brushing off other legitimate concerns. That's what I aim to eliminate.
>>>
>>> It's not personal Volker, it's that I have every right in this forum and others to ensure that my side of the issue is fairly represented and that language choices in the documents don't unfairly color the public perception of the situation.
>>>
>>> Now if you'll excuse me, I am supposed to be on vacation.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Kiran
>>>
>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>> Internet Policy Counselor
>>> MarkMonitor
>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>
>>>> On May 23, 2014, at 8:06 AM, "Volker Greimann" <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have no issues with other people clearly deliniating their positions. OTOH, endless discussions about rodents lairs, making blanket assumptions about initial draft documents, calling others disrespectful, unnecessary, and inappropriate seems to be less than helpful to the continued progress of this group. We need constructive work.
>>>>
>>>> We are all here to get a good, solid result here, not to start blood-feuds. I hope everyone remembers that before anything else, we need to be a tam to achieve results. Sure, we may have different opinions on certain issues, but if we cannot cooperate, we are doomed to fail. We should all remember this.
>>>>
>>>> No result here means that the p/p spec in the 2013 RAA will expire without having been replaced by a sold foundation for all p/p services.
>>>>
>>>> No offense,
>>>>
>>>> Volker
>>>>
>>>> Am 23.05.2014 14:57, schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
>>>>> We did propose a change, and we are discussing on the list in order to avoid taking precious time on the call.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, please refrain from calling other peoples positions a waste of time. It's disrespectful, unnecessary, and inappropriate for professional discourse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiran
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>> Internet Policy Counselor
>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 23, 2014, at 7:30 AM, "Volker Greimann" <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it really matter? Do we need to waste next weeks call on the word "overwhelming"?
>>>>>> Propose a change, then move on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 23.05.2014 14:10, schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
>>>>>>> So if everyone is so well aware, why did we end up with a document with the wording "overwhelming majority"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>>>> Internet Policy Counselor
>>>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 23, 2014, at 4:32 AM, "Volker Greimann" <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are well aware of the GNSO Working Group Guidelines and what the different levels of consensus mean. Tim is right: there does not need to be a vote to determine if a position is a consensus position.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For example, from the current discussion results, the determination for the question of whether to prohibit commercialy used domain names from p/p services seems to be Divergence/No Consensus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 22.05.2014 18:37, schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
>>>>>>>>> Also incorrect. GNSO guidelines dictate what consensus means. Marika provides a link to these guidelines. Individuals are welcome to participate and there are guidelines as to how to count those votes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kiran
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>>>>>> Internet Policy Counselor
>>>>>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 9:35 AM, "Tim Ruiz" <tim at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will also note that is is not just the SG/C feeback that counts. The working group is not restricted to representatives of SGs or Cs. Anyone (individuals) may participate, have a voice, and have their opinion counted. I believe that's why we have moved away from voting and toward the consensus positions. The Chair and Vice Chairs get the wonderful job of trying to determine what the consensus is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 11:30 AM, "Tim Ruiz" <tim at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a cross SO/AC WG. It is a GNSO PDP on a matter that is under the GNSO umbrella of issues. As such, what we need is SG and C input/feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 10:35 AM, "Kiran Malancharuvil" <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly our point.  I believe you also made this point a couple weeks ago. Despite the number of individual voices, there hasn't been a lot of diverse (from an SO/AC perspective) input. To that point, there should probably be outreach on this point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Policy Counselor
>>>>>>>>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>>>>>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To Steve¹s point: What other SO/ACs are speaking on this? Aren¹t we all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or at least the vocal elements) GNSO?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/22/14, 10:05 , "Kiran Malancharuvil"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe we intended to make clear that, as working group members, we do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not vote as individuals but rather as representatives of our individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SO/AC/C. While a vote hasn't taken place yet, it's important to remember
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that sheer volume of vocal individuals isn't the point, regardless of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where you fall on the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Internet Policy Counselor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 22, 2014, at 8:01 AM, "Metalitz, Steven"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <met at msk.com<mailto:met at msk.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Libby, this is a helpful contribution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you clarify one point:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ³However, a number of WG members, representing their SO/AC/C,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagreedŠ.²  Which SO/AC/C are you referring to ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Libby Baney [mailto:libby.baney at fwdstrategies.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Marika Konings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Metalitz, Steven;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All -- as evidenced on last week's call, there is concern about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> language in the draft conclusion for Cat C threshold question. Per the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> request for specific edits, attached are redlined edits to the template
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submitted for the group's consideration by FWD Strategies Int'l,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LegitScript, MarkMonitor and DomainTools. We look forward to your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comments and further discussion if needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libby
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.FWDstrategies.com<http://www.FWDstrategies.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Marika Konings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <marika.konings at icann.org<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Following on from Steve's emails, please find attached the updated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> templates for C3 and D1, incorporating the notes from the meeting (if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've missed anything, please share your comments / edits with the mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list). To re-emphasise the action items from the meeting:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Please provide your input on the draft preliminary conclusion for C
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threshold, C1 and C2 as circulated by Don. Several of you suggested
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing the word 'overwhelming' from the draft. Are there any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed edits?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Please provide your input on question C3, especially if you are of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the view that there should be differences in the data fields displayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for commercial entity and natural person P/P registrations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Please provide your input on question D1, especially whether it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be desirable to have a public registry of P/P services contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information and a requirement to respond to enquiries both from P/P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> customers as well as those looking to contact P/P customers. Input on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what would qualify as a 'response' and a possible timeframe for responses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are also encouraged.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Kathy and James will provide an update at the next meeting on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues surrounding transfers between registrars of P/P registrations and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible questions the WG may want to address in this context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: <Metalitz>, Steven <met at msk.com<mailto:met at msk.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday 20 May 2014 18:06
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Marika Konings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <marika.konings at icann.org<mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to all participants on today¹s call.  Following up on requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made on the call ----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding Don¹s draft preliminary text regarding questions C(threshold),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> C 1 and C2, please circulate your comments and (especially welcomed!)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposed edits.  Don¹s draft is re-attached here for ready reference.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regarding question C.3:  If the following applies to you, please respond
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the list:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IF you believe that privacy/proxy services ought to be open to commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entities under some circumstances, THEN should there be a difference in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the data displayed for such registrations (vs. what is displayed for p/p
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registrations by natural persons)?  If the answer is YES, please specify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the differences.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope that any YES
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people will step forward on the list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Metalitz, vice chair
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 3:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI WG Meeting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Marika
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposed Agenda  PPSAI WG Meeting 20 May 2014
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  Roll Call / SOI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Review proposed preliminary conclusion for threshold question, C1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and C2 (as circulated by Don)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  Review C3  is additional response/discussion needed in light of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> item 2? (see template attached)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4.  Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated template attached)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5.  Next steps / confirm next meeting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libby Baney, JD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FWD Strategies International
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.fwdstrategies.com<http://www.fwdstrategies.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P: 202-499-2296
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>> -- 
>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - Rechtsabteilung -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
>> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
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>>
>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
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>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>
>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>>
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>> www.keydrive.lu
>>
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>>
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - legal department -
>>
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>
>> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
>> www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
>>
>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>
>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>>
>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>> www.keydrive.lu
>>
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>>
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