[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Updated draft Initial Report - timelines

Tue Apr 28 14:36:57 UTC 2015

+1 for the time.

This subject matter is complex with lots of crevices.  Let's err on the
side of caution and give it time for people, even a few more, to engage.
Its the right thing to do.

-Carlton

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On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:10 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

> James
>
> 60 days seems sane to me and I’d support it.
>
> Also thanks for sharing your detailed rationale - it’s very helpful to
> provide context
>
> Is mise le meas
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> On 28/04/2015 10:42, "James Gannon" <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
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> >My suggestion would be 60 days.
> >To give some context to my own request/suggestion, for this specific
> policy a quick count of people and groups that I have advised to use proxy
> services to protect their identity and thus I would need to bring them up
> to speed:
> >
> >24 Registered charities, 9 countries, 2 don’t speak any English and I
> would need to organise our trusted translator for both of them. Each of
> those need between 30-60 minutes as their level of technical expertise
> varies. So lets call that 18 hours of engagement.
> >
> >Approximately 55 independent activists, people who are at extremely high
> risk and need to be fully aware of the potential impact of this on their
> work. However that number may be 54 as I haven’t heard from a good friend
> of mine in Kathmandu since the earthquake so maybe I can knock a day off my
> 60 day request for that? These guys are in over 20 countries, approximately
> half don’t speak English or French, so again for some I will need a
> translator to be organised. I would guess about an hour for each of them,
> so that another 54 hours.
> >
> >About 5 at risk business here in Ireland, ranging from sexual abuse
> support groups to womens support groups. As they are local to me I can
> probably do a group session, another 2 hours.
> >
> >So that’s 74 hours of engagement directly, add another 16 hours of admin
> to that to get a round number, 90 hours of engagement. So 2.25 hours a day
> for 40 days. Working 7 days a week.
> >All of my at risk support is pro-bono so my day job comes first as I have
> to support my family and keep a roof over my head. That takes up 10-12
> hours of my working weekdays. Throw in some sleep of which I get very
> little and trying to juggle pro-bono translators, availability of the
> people in question and you can see that yes 40 days can suddenly start
> looking quite tight to get feedback from the people who are going to be
> affected by this.
> >
> >I 100% understand that people want to get this finished and done with,
> I’m not disputing that at all, but lets just pause for a moment and realise
> the amount of work that true outreach is for those of us who are working
> here probono. Can it be done in 40 days? Yes. If further time is available
> will I request it? Yes.
> >
> >The world of ICANN isn’t going to fall apart with an extra 20 days on
> public comment but allowing the public, and especially those who are going
> to be directly affected by this policy, to have their say on the draft
> report is as master card would say ‘priceless’.
> >
> >I hope that gives you some feeling of the enormity of some of the
> outreach that will be going on behind the scenes from my side of things,
> and I’m not the only one facing such a task!
> >
> >Now that’s enough of a wall of text for today =) Speak to you all on
> todays call.
> >
> >-James
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 28/04/2015 09:53, "Kiran Malancharuvil" <
> Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
> >
> >>So please enlighten us James and Kathy, what would be a better timeline
> to ensure that everyone that could be impacted by this policy can review,
> understand and respond?
> >>
> >>Kiran Malancharuvil
> >>Internet Policy Counselor
> >>MarkMonitor
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> >>
> >>Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 27, 2015, at 11:58 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With all due respect Kiran to the thousands of at risk registrants it
> may well be rocket science.
> >>>
> >>> This policy to people who are not involved in policy development can
> be rocket science, its a complex policy and one with far reaching
> consequences on people who have very little idea how policies at ICANN
> work, they just want to get on with the work that they do.
> >>>
> >>> On last weeks call many of us felt that even with the current timeline
> for public comments that we may not be in a position to have much
> contrstructive work out of the PC comment in BA anyway and we agreed that
> we would revisit timing on this weeks call.
> >>>
> >>> So lets just remember that we are making choices and decisions that
> are going to imact a lot of people with this policy, and while people who
> do this for a living, or those of us who give up our free time to work on
> stuff like this we have gotten used to the wording and the guts of the
> policy, for many people they will read the initial report and give us
> feedback and that will be their only interaction as they don’t have the
> option to be involved in the process at any other point as they don’t have
> the spare cycles in their very bust lives.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 28/04/2015 02:27, "Kiran Malancharuvil" <
> Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Delaying now robs us of a valuable opportunity to actually be
> productive in Buenos Aires. It may be 100 pages, but it ain't rocket
> science.
> >>>>
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