[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 28 April 2015 at 1400 UTC
Terri Agnew
terri.agnew at icann.org
Tue Apr 28 17:35:30 UTC 2015
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 28 April 2015 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-28apr15-en.mp3
On page:
http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar>apr<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#apr>
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
Attendees:
Frank Michlick - Individual
Val Sherman - IPC
Griffin Barnett - IPC
Kathy Kleiman - NCSG
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Graeme Bunton - RrSG
Jim Bikoff - IPC
Alex Deacon -IPC
Stephanie Perrin - NCSG
Phil Corwin - BC
Terri Stumme - BC
Holly Raiche - ALAC
Susan Kawaguchi - BC
Luc Seufer - RrSG
Roger Carney - RrSG
Sarah Wyld - RrSG
Carlton Samuels - ALAC
Todd Williams - IPC
James Gannon - NCUC
David Heasley - IPC
Paul McGrady - IPC
Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG
Vicky Sheckler - IPC
David Cake - NCSG
Michele Neylon - RrSG
Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC
Richard Leaning - Individual
Susan Prosser - RrSG
Lindsay Hamilton-Reid - RrSG
Chris Pelling - RrSG
Apologies :
Don Blumenthal - RySG
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Darcy Southwell - RrSG
Volker Greimann - RrSG
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Terri Agnew
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
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Thank you.
Kind regards,
Terri Agnew
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 28 April 2015
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 28 April 2015
Holly Raiche:Greetings all
Graeme Bunton:I can hear you Steph
Graeme Bunton:look on booking.com
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Does anyone know if theres a trick to getting adobe to work with a mac? Mic doesnt seem to work at all? Works fine in skype!
Holly Raiche:I'm on a Mac, but get a dial in - which works just fine
Paul:Hi everyone!
Mary Wong:@James, sometimes a different browser helps e.g. Firefox over Chrome
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:oh yes Ill try that
Terri Agnew:Adobe connect prefers Firefox. What browser are you using?
Michele Neylon:firefox? ugh
Michele Neylon::)
Philip Corwin:There's no accounting for browser taste ;-)
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Yes firefox success
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Now I can badger you all during the call =)
Michele Neylon:I'm still waiting for the operator
Terri Agnew:Wlecome David Cake and Dick Leaning
val sherman:Hello all. David Heasley also on audio bridge.
Terri Agnew:Welcome Luc Seufer
Mary Wong:Thanks, all - noted.
Terri Agnew:Welcome Carlton Samuels
Carlton Samuels:Howdy all
Stephanie Perrin:Howdy Carlton!
richard leaning:michele is right about that point
Carlton Samuels:@Michele: Yes, so maybe we make it clear that some circumstances may bar you from sharing
Luc Seufer:does the I in PPSAI stands for Irish? How many are you guys
richard leaning:on the court order issue
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:=)
Michele Neylon:only two
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Understood was jsut more of a comment on possibilities
Michele Neylon:I don't like the idea of being forced to inform
Michele Neylon:that's on the previous point - sorry
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think it should be both
Michele Neylon:another registrar sounds more logical
Terri Agnew:Welcome Sussan Prosser
Luc Seufer:what?
Paul:I can hear the phone
Mary Wong:Yes, there are links and references in the Report to all agreements and policies referenced
Mary Wong:We will double check that the links and references are all in the right place
Mary Wong:Expired Registration Recovery Policy
Terri Agnew:Lindsay Hamilton-Reid has joined on audio
Kathy:@Mary - can we include this full term *and its reference section in the RAA* and link to it? That way people can find it very easily if they are trying to research... tx!
Mary Wong:@Kathy I think we have a direct link to the ERRP (including its full spelling) and to the RAA, Specs, etc. - in this case we probably put it later on in the document than here
Kathy:could we put it here? Easy to get lost in a 100+ page report...
Mary Wong:As mentioned, we will check before publishing to make sure that each acronym and referenced document gets its link the first time it appears in the doc
Terri Agnew:Welcome Chris Pelling
Chris Pelling:Sorry for lateness, today has been one of those days
Kathy:@Mary, as Steve suggested, in each section would be useful.
Kathy:Hi Chris!
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think abuse is a relativly widely used term, it doesnt sound nice but its a common use
Michele Neylon:"abuse" is a term we all use
Michele Neylon:this is a polichy
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I think we need a PDP on Internet Explorer support
Michele Neylon:James - yes
Michele Neylon:Google can fund it
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:=)
Holly Raiche:@ Irish James - Maybe we can write the interim report now
Michele Neylon:IE sucks
Michele Neylon:end of report
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Definintly fits with being in the public interest
Luc Seufer:fine by me
Stephanie Perrin:lost sound there for a while?
Michele Neylon:we spent 5 minutes talking about Canadians
Michele Neylon:it was awesome
Luc Seufer:and their weird love of privacy rights
Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, let me know if a dial out is needed
Michele Neylon:I was more concerned about their beers
Kathy:+1 Holly
Luc Seufer:the two are linked
Kathy:that makes sense
Stephanie Perrin:privacy, good beer, free speech....it's all good up here in the frozen north.
Mary Wong:On Sec 1.3.2 - this question is in the Charter
Terri Agnew:@Stephanie, we are unable to hear you
Michele Neylon:Stephanie - that's between the customer and the provider
Graeme Bunton:STephanie, back to mute
Mary Wong:Please mute if you're not speaking
Michele Neylon:somebody has a terrible line
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:adobe is freaking out on me
Kathy:And that remedy for the Customer may be vis a vis the Requestor
Carlton Samuels:@All: This is a general comment. I read the Exec Summary and the general feeling I have is it does not go far enough to lay out the rights and responsibilities of stakeholders. I want to see remedies mentioned, especially for those who make use of P/P services and their contractual and other rights are breached.
Paul:We aren't a global legislator
Stephanie Perrin:no I have said what I had to say.. Even if there is an agreement with the customer, they cannot sign away their rights in the event of a breach
Michele Neylon:Carlton - a lot of registrars offer this service for free or very very cheap
Mary Wong:@Carlton, the recommendations are exactly what the WG has agreed on. We cannot add anything substantive unless the WG agrees to additional recommendations.
Luc Seufer:Carlton I think those will be defined by the WG working on implementation
Michele Neylon:Carlton - if you make it too burdensome people will stop offering it entirely
Stephanie Perrin:old hand
Michele Neylon:and if you want heavier protection then maybe you need to move to a provider that offers that level of service
Luc Seufer:I vote we get read of the German
Michele Neylon:he's on parentl aleave
Michele Neylon:parental even
Luc Seufer:(refernce no Volker himself)
Luc Seufer:rid
Carlton Samuels:@All: Can we then say, specifically on implementation and with respect to remedies, that the Implementation Team is guided to outline what might be available?
Vicky Sheckler:thanks Steve, for getting us through all of those comments
Mary Wong:The 1.3.3 language has been in the draft Initial Report since December; and the text is substantially what the WG agreed to in June 2014, and presented to the community in London.
Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: This is MY concern with respect to the Exec Summary. Most persons will read *only* that of the report. I think it would be very useful for us to ensure that important matters are highlighted here.
Michele Neylon:personally I'm more concerned about the announcement text
Stephanie Perrin:I support Carlton's remark about the executive summary. Indeed the provision of accredited services is probably going to be more burdensome than what we have now ( in reference to Michele's comment) but the customer needs remedies and guarantees.
Holly Raiche:@Maary - I think Kathy's point is exactly that - it is an old statement and should reflect where we are up to
Carlton Samuels:@Michele: Yessir, that too!
Marika Konings:Regarding translation, as per the PDP Manual as well as the translation guidelines, only the executive summary of the Initial Report is translated. Note that free tools are available and linked from the GNSO site should interested parties want to translate other sections of the document.
Kathy:The questions DO tie back - and the Executive Summary should be presenting the key open questions
Michele Neylon:+1 Marika
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:@Marika at the request of the WG/Chairs can other sections be translated? Not asking for it now but wondering if its possible
Vicky Sheckler:+`1 w/ todd
val sherman:+1 Todd
Todd Williams:Oh look, my email that I sent over an hour ago just popped up as I was talking. Not sure why the delay. Sorry for the redundancy.
Marika Konings:@James - of course, any request can be considered, but as noted there are specific guidelines in place to deal with translation and have as such been applied to any PDP WG Initial Report as far as I am aware.
Susan Kawaguchi:+1 to Steve
Vicky Sheckler:agree w/ steve
val sherman:Some of these questions are leading and should be presented as an additional comment at this point.
Mary Wong:Note that 1.3.3 in substance has not changed since June 2014
Mary Wong:This (1.3.3) is an issue that the WG agreed it cannot reach consensus on.
Vicky Sheckler:diagree w/ kathy's ssuggestion to add that language
Vicky Sheckler:Many do not agree w/ this view. I stronlgy disagree with kathy's suggestion
Stephanie Perrin:Fully suppport Kahy's suggestion, we know this is an area of contention so it needsto be fully explained.
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:+1 to Kathys suggestion
Kathy:it's the majority group...
Michele Neylon:separate question and comment period?
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:The initial report should provide a view of all of the WG, minority groups aswell. It means that we do not have broad consensus on this
Michele Neylon:huh?
Michele Neylon:sorry but how would that work?
Graeme Bunton:We have discussed that issue multiple times for many calls
Mary Wong:@Michele, @James - an additional statement to be added as a new annex
Stephanie Perrin:We may be a minority in this WG, but we are certainly not in the user community
Kathy:@All: 1.3.3. really has to be fair and balanced - and accurate!
Mary Wong:We normally request the translation at the same time as request to open the public comment
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Mary: So if translation takes 3 weeks anyone whos native language is not english has 3 weeks less to comment?
Graeme Bunton:I tend to agree with Kathy that 1.3.3 doesn't reflect the state of discussion, but perhaps we can find some better language
Marika Konings:@James - I believe the turn around time is much shorter than that, but we will confirm.
Kathy:+1 Holly
Chris Pelling:agree
Stephanie Perrin:+1 Holly. Maybe never happy, but at least feeling it is fair and balanced.
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:Ok thanks Mrika, could we get a headstart by starting transltion on agreed text sections because cutting into a possible 40 day comment period for anyone who is not a native speaker is seriously testing =)
Stephanie Perrin:We have also pushed to have the deadline moved back as well.
James Gannon [GNSO-NCSG]:I have to run to another call guys. Thanks for a good meeting
Michele Neylon:this is just an interim report
Michele Neylon:so publish and let's move on
val sherman:+1 Michele
Carlton Samuels:Bye all. Duty calls
Chris Pelling:thanks all :)
val sherman:Bye and thanks all!
Graeme Bunton:thanks all
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