[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised Reveal Doc

Tue Mar 24 15:04:17 UTC 2015

Well, we would like to avoid those typical mass mailings sent by 
automated programs where no checking has taken place.

Like the takedown requests for Google.com that are sent to Google by 
rights-holders from time to time.

Volker

Am 24.03.2015 um 16:00 schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
> Volker,
>
> That is what agency is.
>
> Kiran
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Internet Policy Counselor
> MarkMonitor
> 415-419-9138 (m)
>
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
> On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> In the end, it should be someone who has the legal power within his organization to bind the organization to agree to the legal consequences a false request might entail and who would be able to follow up on inquiries directly.
>
> We do not want to see a second understudy of the help desk staffer to send in requests. OTOH, I could live with a statement that the request has been authorized by such a person and the requestor would have to clearly delineate his position and authority within the organization. So in your case, this could be a brief statement from yourself.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 24.03.2015 um 00:40 schrieb Susan Kawaguchi:
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
> I am not comfortable with this language.  I can¹t even imagine asking a
> VP, General Partner or Principal to make this request.   I am not an
> attorney so it would leave me out of the process completely and I
> understand the current process.  This is to limiting and as most companies
> do we rely on third parties to assist in the enforcement which doesn¹t
> always include attorneys.  But they rely on clear instructions from the
> trademark owner to make a claim.  Looking forward to the robust discussion
> tomorrow.
>
> Signatory¹s name and legal relationship to the trademark
> owner. Signatories shall be limited to those with ³first-hand² knowledge
> of the
> alleged infringement: ³Owner² (if trademark owned by individual),
> ³President,²
> ³Vice President,² ³General Partner² or ³Principal² (if trademark owned by
> legal
> entity)  or ³Attorney² with country and
> state/provice/region of attorney¹s bar membership (if legal representative
> appointed by trademark owner)
>
>
>
>
> Susan Kawaguchi
> Domain Name Manager
> Facebook Legal Dept.
>
> Phone - 650 485-6064
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/23/15, 3:08 PM, "Kathy Kleiman" <kathy at kathykleiman.com><mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Kiran,
> Thank you for your comments. The agency issue worries some of us
> greatly.  By what authority is the "agency" established; what actual
> knowledge of the a) trademark or copyright owner's rights are there, b)
> by what expertise can he/she make an assessment of infringement and c)
> by what right, ability or authority can the signatory bind the trademark
> or copyright owner to the allegations being made.
>
> I should note that the proposed changes follow the DMCA: for a Reveal
> Subpoena, the request must be done by an attorney for the Requester or
> by the Requester himself/herself/itself (in the US we call it "pro se").
>
> Best,
> Kathy
> :
>
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
> Thanks for forwarding this to the group, and special thanks for
> forwarding with enough time to review before the call!
>
> We can certainly discuss in more depth on the call tomorrow, but I am
> not a fan of the changes in Section II.  I'm concerned about the level
> of minutiae in the language, and I'm wondering how and why that level of
> micromanagement will be helpful/probative information to the Service
> Provider.  In very large companies, the trademark
> owner/president/VP/partner, etc. isn't actually involved directly in the
> enforcement activity.  It should be enough to demonstrate agency, as the
> previous language did.
>
> Perhaps I will have more later, but I wanted to float that to the group
> before the call.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kiran
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Policy Counselor
> MarkMonitor
> 415.222.8318 (t)
> 415.419.9138 (m)
> www.markmonitor.com<http://www.markmonitor.com>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 11:19 AM
> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>; Metalitz, Steven; Graeme Bunton
> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Revised Reveal Doc
>
> Hi All,
> Steve and I talked on Friday, and he asked me to circulate a Revised
> Reveal document -- which is attached.  This document has three types of
> changes based on our discussion last Tuesday and subsequent research:
>
> 1. To the title (reset pending further discussion) 2. To Section II,
> the Request Templates to clarify the requester and his/her direct
> knowledge of the alleged infringement and legal authority to represent
> the Requester, and 3. Annex (reset to original pending discussion with
> drafters over the narrow goals and intents of this section)
>
> All other edits remain - to continue our excellent discussion of high
> standards for disclosure, human rights issues, etc. There is also much
> to discuss regarding follow-up processes (after the Request) including
> a) when are appeals allowed and for whom, and b) how does a Provider
> challenge an alleged "wrongful disclosure" of its Customer's information?
>
> Best and have a good rest of weekend,
> Kathy
>
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