[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI - Reveal requests

Tue Mar 31 14:48:11 UTC 2015

This is an acceptable approach to resolving the concern of mass automated
requests.

The purpose of  a request, and the need for contact information, is to
initiate an IP proceeding or to initiate a criminal investigation.  The
task of compiling information relevant to begin a proceeding or criminal
investigation is typically not done by individuals at the highest level of
an organization.  Most organizations have well-trained staff monitoring the
Internet in the spirit of brand protection, as well as for other illicit
activity.  These are the individuals tasked with gathering and compiling
relevant data for proceedings which includes making requests to service
providers for relevant information.

Limiting who can request information to an attorney or other high level
official in an organization, is just not feasible.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Williams, Todd <Todd.Williams at turner.com>
wrote:

> All:
>
> I wanted to pick up on something that Phil and Volker said below.
>
> I'm not sure that the proposal on the table that we are debating (request
> must come from an attorney, VP, etc.) is a good fit for the issue that
> we're trying to account for (automated notices).  If automated notices are
> the concern, what does everybody think of this - can we add a sentence to
> the preamble (could be the last sentence) that says something along the
> lines of:
>
> "Given the importance of these interests, and given the nature of the
> balance that this policy strikes, evidence of the use of automation (i.e.,
> the absence of human review) by any of the parties involved (Requestors,
> Service Providers, or Customers) to complete any of the steps in the
> processes outlined below shall create a rebuttable presumption of
> non-compliance with this policy."
>
> I think that would be a more narrowly tailored way to address the concern
> that is on the table that wouldn't run into the problems inherent in trying
> to limit who can submit complaints (which Kiran, Susan, and others have
> outlined).
>
> Happy to discuss on the call.
>
> Todd.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 7:34 AM
> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI - Reveal requests
>
> Phil,
>
> automated messages are a harm for providers, customers and (maybe
> surprisingly to some) complainants alike.
>
> The quality of such complaints are usually significantly lower than those
> manually vetted, which endangers registrants.
> This increases the workload on service providers who will have to deal
> with these Finally, as a consequence of the above, high-volume automated
> complaints significantly increase the response times and backlogs of
> service providers, resulting in significantly increased delays in the
> response times for all complainants.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 31.03.2015 um 03:22 schrieb Phil Corwin:
> > If automatically generated requests are the harm being targeted I'm not
> sure that requiring a human of particular status to sign off on the request
> will effectively address it.
> >
> > The US courts have been dealing with hundreds of thousands of
> "robo-signed" foreclosure notices that were signed off on by someone at a
> law firm, albeit at the pace of hundreds per day.
> >
> > So how do we reconcile the desire of rights holders to be able to
> transmit a request without excessive costs with concerns about the process
> being abused, especially via automated means or the adoption of low
> standards for generating requests?
> >
> > Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
> > Virtualaw LLC
> > 1155 F Street, NW
> > Suite 1050
> > Washington, DC 20004
> > 202-559-8597/Direct
> > 202-559-8750/Fax
> > 202-255-6172/cell
> >
> > Twitter: @VlawDC
> >
> > "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> > [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Frank
> > Michlick
> > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 8:00 PM
> > To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> > Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI - Reveal requests
> >
> > On 2015-03-30 7:42 PM, Susan Kawaguchi wrote:
> >> What I do not understand is the concept of automated notices for
> >> requests to proxy vendors?
> > Hi,
> >
> > I think we're trying to prevent a similar scenario that happened with
> > invalid whois complaints a while back.
> >
> > Some trademark-related service providers were sending automated
> > mass-complaints against large numbers of domain names to ICANN and
> > registrars. One per domain, but often hundreds if not thousands;
> > submitted by a script. This is a scenario I'd like to see avoided here.
> >
> > Another nuance about these providers is that while they may have been
> > authorized by the trademark holder to obtain the domains, the
> > companies were neither law-firms nor were the emails send directly by
> > people working for the trademark holder.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Frank Michlick
> > --
> > Registrar Consultant, DomainCooon Inc.
> > p: (514) 315-1050
> >
> >
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