[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report

Sun Sep 20 20:15:22 UTC 2015

+1 from me also, we do not want to do down this slippery slope.

Best regards,

Theo Geurts

Holly Raiche schreef op 2015-09-20 03:56 AM:
> I totally agree with James G, Michele, and Phil.  The last two
> paragraphs seem to fly in the face of the rest of the text.  We could
> not reach consensus on the definitions, let alone the boundaries of
> what might be excluded from use of the P/P service.  I do not
> understand why we are contemplating any further work on the issue.
> The overwhelming majority of comments did not support it.  the WG does
> not support it. In Phil’s words, surely the horse is well and truly
> dead and the only appropriate action now is a respectful burial.
> 
> Holly
> 
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 9:21 am, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
> 
>> +1. While I was unable to make the last call those final two
>> paragraphs seem out of sync with the long description of why there
>> is no consensus on circumscribing the use of P/P services
>> forcommercial or transactional services.
>> 
>> Further, as regards this paragraph—
>> The Working Group also considered the suggestion thatDURING THE
>> IMPLEMENTATION PHASE of the accreditation system, priority be given
>> to the development of an illustrative framework mechanism for how
>> complaints that a particular domain name is being used to carry out
>> online financial transactions for commercial purposes should be
>> submitted, processed, evaluated, and acted upon.  Concerns that a
>> blanket prohibition against the use of P/P services associated with
>> a domain name used to carry out online financial transactions for
>> commercial purposes would have a chilling effect could be adequately
>> addressed by developing an additional disclosure framework.
>> Requests for further legal analysis of when disclosure is warranted
>> in these situations could find its home here. THIS COULD BE AN
>> APPROPRIATE USE OF IMPLEMENTATION RESOURCES. (emphasis added)
>> 
>> -- if there is no consensus on the definitions of “online
>> financial transactions for commercial purposes” or on placing any
>> restrictions on them, then how could developing an “Illustrative
>> framework mechanism” possibly be considered an appropriate
>> implementation measure? There is no underlying policy to be
>> implemented. Seems more like an attempt to beat a dead horse back to
>> life.
>> 
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>> FROM: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] ON BEHALF OF Michele
>> Neylon - Blacknight
>> SENT: Friday, September 18, 2015 5:45 PM
>> TO: James Gannon; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> SUBJECT: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update
>> Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>> 
>> I agree strongly with James G’s assessment.
>> 
>> If we agree that there should be no “special” restriction for
>> commercial / financial usage of domains, then why on earth is this
>> language there? I don’t understand it.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Michele
>> 
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>> FROM: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of James
>> Gannon
>> DATE: Friday 18 September 2015 20:34
>> TO: Mary Wong, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org"
>> SUBJECT: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update
>> Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>> 
>>> Thanks for your work on this guys, while understanding that we
>>> will be discussing this on the call I will raise now my
>>> disagreement with the final two paragraphs on creating an
>>> alternative disclosure framework at some point in the future for
>>> commercial domains, I don’t feel these represent the consensus
>>> or agreement of the WG and would respectfully object against their
>>> inclusion. I was under the impression that we had agreed that the
>>> public had shown their overall disagreement with a framework that
>>> included categorisation of domains, my read of the final 2 paras
>>> seems to fly in the face of that agreement.
>>> 
>>> -James
>>> 
>>> FROM: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Mary Wong
>>> DATE: Friday 18 September 2015 20:21
>>> TO: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org"
>>> SUBJECT: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update
>>> Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>>> 
>>> Dear WG members,
>>> 
>>> Please find attached some proposed language from the WG co-chairs
>>> in respect of Section 1.3.3 of the WG’s Initial Report, i.e. the
>>> availability and use of P/P services for domain names associated
>>> with online financial transactions. The suggested language is
>>> based on the reports from Sub Team 2 and the WG’s deliberations
>>> on this point following review of the various public comments
>>> received.
>>> 
>>> The co-chairs would like to include a discussion of this proposed
>>> language on the next WG call, and as such we are circulating it to
>>> you now so that you will have a chance to review it before then.
>>> If finalized and approved, this will be included in the WG’s
>>> Final Report on this topic.
>>> 
>>> Thanks and cheers
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Mary Wong
>>> 
>>> Senior Policy Director
>>> 
>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
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