[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Sun Sep 20 20:46:11 UTC 2015
Unsurprisingly, I agree with Holly (and James, Michele, and Phil).
Stephanie Perrin
On 2015-09-19 21:56, Holly Raiche wrote:
> I totally agree with James G, Michele, and Phil. The last two
> paragraphs seem to fly in the face of the rest of the text. We could
> not reach consensus on the definitions, let alone the boundaries of
> what might be excluded from use of the P/P service. I do not
> understand why we are contemplating any further work on the issue.
> The overwhelming majority of comments did not support it. the WG
> does not support it. In Phil’s words, surely the horse is well and
> truly dead and the only appropriate action now is a respectful burial.
>
> Holly
>
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 9:21 am, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com
> <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
>
>> +1. While I was unable to make the last call those final two
>> paragraphs seem out of sync with the long description of why there is
>> no consensus on circumscribing the use of P/P services forcommercial
>> or transactional services.
>> Further, as regards this paragraph—
>> The Working Group also considered the suggestion that*during the
>> implementation phase*of the accreditation system, priority be given
>> to the development of an illustrative framework mechanism for how
>> complaints that a particular domain name is being used to carry out
>> online financial transactions for commercial purposes should be
>> submitted, processed, evaluated, and acted upon. Concerns that a
>> blanket prohibition against the use of P/P services associated with a
>> domain name used to carry out online financial transactions for
>> commercial purposes would have a chilling effect could be adequately
>> addressed by developing an additional disclosure framework. Requests
>> for further legal analysis of when disclosure is warranted in these
>> situations could find its home here*. This could be an appropriate
>> use of implementation resources.*(emphasis added)
>> **
>> *--*if there is no consensus on**the definitions of “online financial
>> transactions for commercial purposes” or on placing any restrictions
>> on them, then how could developing an “Illustrative framework
>> mechanism” possibly be considered an appropriate implementation
>> measure? There is no underlying policy to be implemented. Seems more
>> like an attempt to beat a dead horse back to life.**
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>> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>[mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org]*On
>> Behalf Of*Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>> *Sent:*Friday, September 18, 2015 5:45 PM
>> *To:*James Gannon; Mary Wong;gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> *Subject:*Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update
>> Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>> I agree strongly with James G’s assessment.
>> If we agree that there should be no “special” restriction for
>> commercial / financial usage of domains, then why on earth is this
>> language there? I don’t understand it.
>> Regards
>> Michele
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>> *From:*<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of James Gannon
>> *Date:*Friday 18 September 2015 20:34
>> *To:*Mary Wong, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
>> *Subject:*Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update
>> Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>>
>> Thanks for your work on this guys, while understanding that we
>> will be discussing this on the call I will raise now my
>> disagreement with the final two paragraphs on creating an
>> alternative disclosure framework at some point in the future for
>> commercial domains, I don’t feel these represent the consensus or
>> agreement of the WG and would respectfully object against their
>> inclusion. I was under the impression that we had agreed that the
>> public had shown their overall disagreement with a framework that
>> included categorisation of domains, my read of the final 2 paras
>> seems to fly in the face of that agreement.
>> -James
>> *From:*<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Mary Wong
>> *Date:*Friday 18 September 2015 20:21
>> *To:*"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
>> *Subject:*[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update
>> Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>> Dear WG members,
>> Please find attached some proposed language from the WG co-chairs
>> in respect of Section 1.3.3 of the WG’s Initial Report, i.e. the
>> availability and use of P/P services for domain names associated
>> with online financial transactions. The suggested language is
>> based on the reports from Sub Team 2 and the WG’s deliberations
>> on this point following review of the various public comments
>> received.
>> The co-chairs would like to include a discussion of this proposed
>> language on the next WG call, and as such we are circulating it
>> to you now so that you will have a chance to review it before
>> then. If finalized and approved, this will be included in the
>> WG’s Final Report on this topic.
>> Thanks and cheers
>> Mary
>> Mary Wong
>> Senior Policy Director
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889
>> Email:mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>
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