[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
Mary Wong
mary.wong at icann.org
Mon Sep 21 17:00:58 UTC 2015
Forwarding on behalf of Vicky Sheckler.
>
>
> From: Victoria Sheckler
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:22 AM
> To: 'Kathy Kleiman'; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section
> 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> Doesn¹t that approach unfairly ignore the comments that requested the minority
> position? It seems to me that the last paragraph is consistent with the
> majority view but permits time to assess the concerns raised by the minority
> view.
>
>
> From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 8:58 AM
> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section
> 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> +1 James G, Michele, Phil and Holly. This report is stunningly unsupported by
> the consensus of the WG. It is a complete nonstarter. It further undermines
> confidence in this PDP process.
>
> Kathy
>
> On 9/19/2015 9:56 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
>> I totally agree with James G, Michele, and Phil. The last two paragraphs
>> seem to fly in the face of the rest of the text. We could not reach
>> consensus on the definitions, let alone the boundaries of what might be
>> excluded from use of the P/P service. I do not understand why we are
>> contemplating any further work on the issue. The overwhelming majority of
>> comments did not support it. the WG does not support it. In Phil¹s words,
>> surely the horse is well and truly dead and the only appropriate action now
>> is a respectful burial.
>>
>>
>>
>> Holly
>>
>>
>>
>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 9:21 am, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> +1. While I was unable to make the last call those final two paragraphs seem
>>> out of sync with the long description of why there is no consensus on
>>> circumscribing the use of P/P services forcommercial or transactional
>>> services.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Further, as regards this paragraph‹
>>>
>>> The Working Group also considered the suggestion thatduring the
>>> implementation phase of the accreditation system, priority be given to the
>>> development of an illustrative framework mechanism for how complaints that a
>>> particular domain name is being used to carry out online financial
>>> transactions for commercial purposes should be submitted, processed,
>>> evaluated, and acted upon. Concerns that a blanket prohibition against the
>>> use of P/P services associated with a domain name used to carry out online
>>> financial transactions for commercial purposes would have a chilling effect
>>> could be adequately addressed by developing an additional disclosure
>>> framework. Requests for further legal analysis of when disclosure is
>>> warranted in these situations could find its home here. This could be an
>>> appropriate use of implementation resources. (emphasis added)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- if there is no consensus on the definitions of ³online financial
>>> transactions for commercial purposes² or on placing any restrictions on
>>> them, then how could developing an ³Illustrative framework mechanism²
>>> possibly be considered an appropriate implementation measure? There is no
>>> underlying policy to be implemented. Seems more like an attempt to beat a
>>> dead horse back to life.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Michele Neylon -
>>> Blacknight
>>> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 5:45 PM
>>> To: James Gannon; Mary Wong; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section
>>> 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree strongly with James G¹s assessment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If we agree that there should be no ³special² restriction for commercial /
>>> financial usage of domains, then why on earth is this language there? I
>>> don¹t understand it.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michele
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of James Gannon
>>> Date: Friday 18 September 2015 20:34
>>> To: Mary Wong, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org> "
>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section
>>> 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your work on this guys, while understanding that we will be
>>>> discussing this on the call I will raise now my disagreement with the final
>>>> two paragraphs on creating an alternative disclosure framework at some
>>>> point in the future for commercial domains, I don¹t feel these represent
>>>> the consensus or agreement of the WG and would respectfully object against
>>>> their inclusion. I was under the impression that we had agreed that the
>>>> public had shown their overall disagreement with a framework that included
>>>> categorisation of domains, my read of the final 2 paras seems to fly in the
>>>> face of that agreement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -James
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Mary Wong
>>>> Date: Friday 18 September 2015 20:21
>>>> To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org"
>>>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section
>>>> 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear WG members,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please find attached some proposed language from the WG co-chairs in
>>>> respect of Section 1.3.3 of the WG¹s Initial Report, i.e. the availability
>>>> and use of P/P services for domain names associated with online financial
>>>> transactions. The suggested language is based on the reports from Sub Team
>>>> 2 and the WG¹s deliberations on this point following review of the various
>>>> public comments received.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The co-chairs would like to include a discussion of this proposed language
>>>> on the next WG call, and as such we are circulating it to you now so that
>>>> you will have a chance to review it before then. If finalized and approved,
>>>> this will be included in the WG¹s Final Report on this topic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and cheers
>>>>
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mary Wong
>>>>
>>>> Senior Policy Director
>>>>
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>
>>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889
>>>>
>>>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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