[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
Volker Greimann
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Tue Sep 22 08:05:14 UTC 2015
+1
Am 21.09.2015 um 23:52 schrieb Carlton Samuels:
> Actually sir, what undermines the PDP process is an attempt to back
> door an idea that was explicitly rejected.
>
> Because absent this attempt I would have kept my peace. And my use of
> metaphoric language - which you clearly don't like! - would not have
> been provoked.
>
>
> ==============================
> Carlton A Samuels
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> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil
> <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com
> <mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>> wrote:
>
> This is the attitude that truly undermines the PDP process.
>
> Kiran
>
> *From:*Carlton Samuels [mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com
> <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2015 2:35 PM
> *To:* Terri Stumme
> *Cc:* Kiran Malancharuvil; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to
> update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> Happy to see Kiran recognized the reference, even why I would be
> suspicious of anyone else defining my commercial activity.
>
> Yessir, the language was deliberately chosen. And for effect.
>
> Unhappily, the response tends to the regular. It is always the
> victim that is encouraged to wait and be of good cheer. After the
> hurt.
>
> It should therefore not surprise that I would reject that argument.
>
> -Carlton
>
>
>
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> Carlton A Samuels
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> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:23 PM, Terri Stumme
> <terri.stumme at legitscript.com
> <mailto:terri.stumme at legitscript.com>> wrote:
>
> Additionally, as noted in the attached "Issue Chart for the GNSO
> RAA Remaining Issues PDP on Privacy/Proxy Services", Item 6.2,
> this issue was originally brought forth by law enforcement.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil
> <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com
> <mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>> wrote:
>
> Agree with Vicky. I would also remind the working group that the
> “minority” view calling for more work includes membership
> organizations representing thousands of voices including INTA,
> IACC, IPC, BC, US Chamber of Commerce).
>
> While I’m weighing in I would also reject any association of these
> groups with discriminatory viewpoints such as that people of color
> are 2/3rds of a human being (from the notorious and despicable
> Dred Scott decision). Slightly hyperbolic Carlton.
>
> Kiran
>
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> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mary Wong
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2015 10:01 AM
>
>
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to
> update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> Forwarding on behalf of Vicky Sheckler.
>
> *From:*Victoria Sheckler
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2015 9:22 AM
> *To:* 'Kathy Kleiman'; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* RE: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to
> update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> Doesn’t that approach unfairly ignore the comments that
> requested the minority position? It seems to me that the last
> paragraph is consistent with the majority view but permits
> time to assess the concerns raised by the minority view.
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Kathy Kleiman
> *Sent:* Monday, September 21, 2015 8:58 AM
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft language to
> update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> +1 James G, Michele, Phil and Holly. This report is stunningly
> unsupported by the consensus of the WG. It is a complete
> nonstarter. It further undermines confidence in this PDP
> process.
>
> Kathy
>
> On 9/19/2015 9:56 PM, Holly Raiche wrote:
>
> I totally agree with James G, Michele, and Phil. The last
> two paragraphs seem to fly in the face of the rest of the
> text. We could not reach consensus on the definitions,
> let alone the boundaries of what might be excluded from
> use of the P/P service. I do not understand why we are
> contemplating any further work on the issue. The
> overwhelming majority of comments did not support it. the
> WG does not support it. In Phil’s words, surely the horse
> is well and truly dead and the only appropriate action now
> is a respectful burial.
>
> Holly
>
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 9:21 am, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com
> <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
>
> +1. While I was unable to make the last call those
> final two paragraphs seem out of sync with the long
> description of why there is no consensus on
> circumscribing the use of P/P services forcommercial
> or transactional services.
>
> Further, as regards this paragraph—
>
> The Working Group also considered the suggestion
> that*during the implementation phase* of the
> accreditation system, priority be given to the
> development of an illustrative framework mechanism for
> how complaints that a particular domain name is being
> used to carry out online financial transactions for
> commercial purposes should be submitted, processed,
> evaluated, and acted upon. Concerns that a blanket
> prohibition against the use of P/P services associated
> with a domain name used to carry out online financial
> transactions for commercial purposes would have a
> chilling effect could be adequately addressed by
> developing an additional disclosure framework.
> Requests for further legal analysis of when disclosure
> is warranted in these situations could find its home
> here*. This could be an appropriate use of
> implementation resources. *(emphasis added)
>
> **
>
> *-- *if there is no consensus on**the definitions of
> “online financial transactions for commercial
> purposes” or on placing any restrictions on them, then
> how could developing an “Illustrative framework
> mechanism” possibly be considered an appropriate
> implementation measure? There is no underlying policy
> to be implemented. Seems more like an attempt to beat
> a dead horse back to life.
>
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> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> *Sent:* Friday, September 18, 2015 5:45 PM
> *To:* James Gannon; Mary Wong;
> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft
> language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> I agree strongly with James G’s assessment.
>
> If we agree that there should be no “special”
> restriction for commercial / financial usage of
> domains, then why on earth is this language there? I
> don’t understand it.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
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> *From: *<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on
> behalf of James Gannon
> *Date: *Friday 18 September 2015 20:34
> *To: *Mary Wong, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
> *Subject: *Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft
> language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial Report
>
> Thanks for your work on this guys, while
> understanding that we will be discussing this on
> the call I will raise now my disagreement with the
> final two paragraphs on creating an alternative
> disclosure framework at some point in the future
> for commercial domains, I don’t feel these
> represent the consensus or agreement of the WG and
> would respectfully object against their inclusion.
> I was under the impression that we had agreed that
> the public had shown their overall disagreement
> with a framework that included categorisation of
> domains, my read of the final 2 paras seems to fly
> in the face of that agreement.
>
> -James
>
> *From: *<gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on
> behalf of Mary Wong
> *Date: *Friday 18 September 2015 20:21
> *To: *"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
> *Subject: *[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed draft
> language to update Section 1.3.3 of the WG Initial
> Report
>
> Dear WG members,
>
> Please find attached some proposed language from
> the WG co-chairs in respect of Section 1.3.3 of
> the WG’s Initial Report, i.e. the availability and
> use of P/P services for domain names associated
> with online financial transactions. The suggested
> language is based on the reports from Sub Team 2
> and the WG’s deliberations on this point following
> review of the various public comments received.
>
> The co-chairs would like to include a discussion
> of this proposed language on the next WG call, and
> as such we are circulating it to you now so that
> you will have a chance to review it before then.
> If finalized and approved, this will be included
> in the WG’s Final Report on this topic.
>
> Thanks and cheers
>
> Mary
>
> Mary Wong
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