[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Some reg'n data I think necessary (was Re: GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference)

[Greg Aaron]

I was a co-author of SAC054.  I would describe that paper's purpose a little differently.

Jim, you said that " In SAC054, the SSAC proposed a data model for registration data that asserted the primary purpose of registration data was to support the lifecycle of a domain name."  Actually, the SSAC 

"This Report focuses on the information that is associated with a domain name from the time a registration is created – and the domain name is thus “instantiated” in the domain name system (DNS) – until the registration expires. The SSAC thinks that gaining an understanding of what data are necessary and relevant to managing DNRD is an important step to reduce or eliminate the considerable variability in how DNRD are labeled, represented, or formatted and notes that these types of variability can be addressed through the specification and implementation of a standards-based, structured, and extensible data model. This Report offers such a model for community consideration.

The data model presented in this Report does not discuss presentation or display of domain name registration data but should be considered in juxtaposition with other related activities – e.g., the Draft Final Report of the Internationalized Registration Data Working Group (IRD WG)  Registry Data Escrow Specification 4 – so that the data model adopted by the ICANN community satisfies the broadest range of requirements possible for such applications of domain name registration data.
....  The SSAC makes no policy assertions; rather, it presents the data model as a candidate or straw man for community discussion and consideration and as a basis forfurther development.

"Domain Name Registration Data (DNRD) – refers to the information that registrants provide when registering a domain name and that registrars or registries collect. Some of this information is made available to the public."

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Some reg'n data I think necessary (was Re: GNSO Next-Gen RDS PDP Working Group teleconference)



On 20 Mar 2016, at 13:16, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 09:30:41AM -0500, Carlton Samuels wrote:
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>> Is there a need for the collection of registration data, and, to what 
>> end?
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> It is important for operators on the Internet to be able to contact 
> operators of other domains, in order to deal with abuse, network 
> misconfiguration, and so forth.

Andrew,

If the starting point is that the purpose of registration data is to support the operation of a domain name on the Internet, then I’m supportive of your list and the explanations.

However, I do not believe this is the cornerstone purpose of registration data.  As you suggested in your message, others could come up with similar lists based on their purported purpose of registration data.  The EWG report did a good job of cataloguing various purposes of registration data, i.e., purposes of registration data that exist today.

I believe the question facing this group is which purpose is the primary or cornerstone purpose of registration data?  A corollary question then becomes, which additional purposes of registration data are to be collectively and officially declared to be the full purpose of registration data?

In SAC054, the SSAC proposed a data model for registration data that asserted the primary purpose of registration data was to support the lifecycle of a domain name.  This data model included the operational elements you describe in your message.  In retrospect (speaking as an SSAC member who supported the data model at the time), I do not think these operational elements are part of the cornerstone essential elements required to support the lifecycle of a domain name.  The only elements you need are contact information since not all domain names are “operational”.

The next discussion then becomes which contact elements you need, since as has been pointed out by others already, not all contact information is created equal.  Further, do I need to collect more than one type of contact information (postal, phone number, email, etc.)?  I would assert that in this model you don’t need billing information since a registrar could just reach out at the end of each term to collect the next fee.

And as long as we’re into this conversation, an alternate view is I don’t need contact information at all because all I really need is billing information, so I can just collect the fee at each renewal time. 
  This model could work if there was also a terms of use policy that said if there is ever a “problem” with your domain name and you can not be contacted then you lose your domain name.

In summary, my question to the group: Is the purpose of registration data to support the operation of a domain name on the Internet?  Or perhaps the primary purpose is to support the lifecycle of the registration of a domain name?  The corollary question could then be what other purposes do we want to include as the “full purpose” of registration data?

Jim
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