[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose

Wed Oct 5 20:55:01 UTC 2016

Hi Rod, 

By that statement are you suggesting that the RDS will potentially reject data updates from the registrar/registry ? I would conclude that is a dangerous road to go down if you are. I am not suggesting you are, just wanting to confirm :) 

Kind regards, 

Chris 

From: "Rod Rasmussen" <rrasmussen at infoblox.com> 
To: "benny" <benny at nordreg.se> 
Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, 5 October, 2016 20:37:11 
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose 

Folks, 

Gotta chime in here, since the EWG provided a lot of thinking on this issue. If you haven’t already, please review the EWG report sections on data accuracy and also the concept of data validators and their relationship to the RDS. For example, I would note that a well-provisioned RDS would be able to provide some sort of validation checks against existing data in the use case of trying to prevent impersonation (a form of accuracy) of an existing registrant (a big brand like Facebook for instance). Another concept we found very important in the EWG is the idea of creating a contact data set tied to a contact ID that is portable between registrars and registries. This provides for the purpose-based contacts we talk about at great length in the report. It also is key for addressing some of the fundamental operational issues that lead to inaccurate, out-of-date data at various registrars. If you have a change in your contact information (a new e-mail for instance) and hold multiple roles in conjunction with many domains, you have a real challenge making updates throughout the universe of your domain names. Using a data validator and then acting via the RDS, when you make a change to your contact info, that automatically can be reflected in all domains you are associated with and thus improve accuracy tremendously. Those are just a couple examples of how an RDS can be involved in dealing with accuracy issues and represent many of the concepts you can address once you look beyond the current paradigm of registrar controlled contact information anchored specifically to individual domain names. Accuracy in the “generic” system (including registries, registrars, RDS, validators, some other group we haven’t thought of yet) is definitely in-scope. How that is done can take many forms and could have different roles played by different participants in the entire ecosystem. 

Cheers, 

Rod 

On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:36 AM, benny at nordreg.se wrote: 

But the data accuracy can’t be done in RDS, the accuracy is done on a registrar level when collecting data. 
RDS shall under no circumstances alter any information received from registry / registrars and showing any different info than what is collected on that level. 
WG can look at what accuracy they want registrars to do yes, but RDS doesn’t do anything. 
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From: < gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org > on behalf of "Metalitz, Steven" < met at msk.com > 
Date: Wednesday, 5 October 2016 at 19:32 
To: 'Marika Konings' < marika.konings at icann.org >, Volker Greimann < vgreimann at key-systems.net >, " gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org " < gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org > 
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose 
Volker, what is the basis for your assertion that “ data will be presented "as is" in this system, with no 
presumption of any prior cleanup work”? 
That statement will be true if we ultimately conclude that the current system is adequate and that we do not recommend establishment of a new RDS. However, if we do recommend a new system, then improvements to data accuracy are very much on the table, as the charter provision quoted by Marika indicates. 
Steve Metalitz 
From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [ mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org ] On Behalf Of Marika Konings 
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 12:53 PM 
To: Volker Greimann; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org 
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose 
Volker, please note that the PDP WG Charter (see https://community.icann.org/x/E4xlAw ) includes the following question: 
As part of its Phase 1 deliberations, the PDP WG should work to reach consensus recommendations by considering, at a minimum , the following complex and inter-related questions: 
(…..) 
· Data Accuracy: What steps should be taken to improve data accuracy? 
(……) 
Best regards, 
Marika 
On 05/10/16 05:58, " gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Volker Greimann " < gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of vgreimann at key-systems.net > wrote: 
I would move to strike all references to data quality altogether from 
this document, e.g. "current", "accurate" etc. 
These are already required by existing policies and agreements and do 
not have to be referenced again at this point. We should focus on having 
to reflect the data as provided by the RNH at this stage, not make any 
presumptions about its quality. 
After all, data will be presented "as is" in this system, with no 
presumption of any prior cleanup work. 
Best, 
Volker 
>> THE purpose of the "Registration Data Service" (hereafter referred to 
>> as 
>> "RDS") is to manage authorised parties' access to information about 
>> [gTLD Domain Names, gTLD Nameservers, gTLD Registries and gTLD 
>> Registrars] 
>> 
>> Purpose 3(a/b) are possible use cases, not Purposes as such 
>> 
>> "Accurate" is definitely not a term to use if we ever expect to finish 
>> - "Current" would be more accurate (sic) / appropriate. 
> Agreed, with one minor suggestion: 
> 
> "access to information about generic top-level domain registries, registrars, names, and name servers." 
> 
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