[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Thu Oct 6 11:38:49 UTC 2016
Hi Rod,
this would be a new role for registrars then that is not yet a
contractual requirement. Before unloading this dump truck at the
doorstep of contracted parties, please consider the operational and
financial impact such a proposal would have.
I very strongly suggest that we keep the responsibility for data
accuracy where it currently rests: with the registered name holder.
Best,
Volker
Am 05.10.2016 um 23:35 schrieb Rod Rasmussen:
> Chris,
>
> The registrar would in that case be acting in the role of a validator,
> and follow the proper protocol which would include the required
> authorizations (which may vary depending on the security settings
> specified by the contact holder in question) to make the requested
> changes. There is certainly a use-case where a malicious registrar or
> their reseller (there have been many) could have their proposed
> “change” rejected as an anti-fraud measure, but that would be because
> they also didn’t have the required change authorization details needed
> for the request in the first place. That is a feature, not a bug, as
> it protects registrants’ and others rights. This is way in the
> implementation weeds though - probably not a level we’d need to be
> concerned about here.
>
> Rod
>
>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Chris Pelling <chris at netearth.net
>> <mailto:chris at netearth.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rod,
>>
>> By that statement are you suggesting that the RDS will potentially
>> reject data updates from the registrar/registry ? I would conclude
>> that is a dangerous road to go down if you are. I am not suggesting
>> you are, just wanting to confirm :)
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From: *"Rod Rasmussen" <rrasmussen at infoblox.com
>> <mailto:rrasmussen at infoblox.com>>
>> *To: *"benny" <benny at nordreg.se <mailto:benny at nordreg.se>>
>> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, 5 October, 2016 20:37:11
>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS
>> Statement of Purpose
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> Gotta chime in here, since the EWG provided a lot of thinking on this
>> issue. If you haven’t already, please review the EWG report sections
>> on data accuracy and also the concept of data validators and their
>> relationship to the RDS. For example, I would note that a
>> well-provisioned RDS would be able to provide some sort of validation
>> checks against existing data in the use case of trying to prevent
>> impersonation (a form of accuracy) of an existing registrant (a big
>> brand like Facebook for instance). Another concept we found very
>> important in the EWG is the idea of creating a contact data set tied
>> to a contact ID that is portable between registrars and registries.
>> This provides for the purpose-based contacts we talk about at great
>> length in the report. It also is key for addressing some of the
>> fundamental operational issues that lead to inaccurate, out-of-date
>> data at various registrars. If you have a change in your contact
>> information (a new e-mail for instance) and hold multiple roles in
>> conjunction with many domains, you have a real challenge making
>> updates throughout the universe of your domain names. Using a data
>> validator and then acting via the RDS, when you make a change to your
>> contact info, that automatically can be reflected in all domains you
>> are associated with and thus improve accuracy tremendously. Those
>> are just a couple examples of how an RDS can be involved in dealing
>> with accuracy issues and represent many of the concepts you can
>> address once you look beyond the current paradigm of registrar
>> controlled contact information anchored specifically to individual
>> domain names. Accuracy in the “generic” system (including
>> registries, registrars, RDS, validators, some other group we haven’t
>> thought of yet) is definitely in-scope. How that is done can take
>> many forms and could have different roles played by different
>> participants in the entire ecosystem.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Rod
>>
>> On Oct 5, 2016, at 10:36 AM, benny at nordreg.se
>> <mailto:benny at nordreg.se> wrote:
>>
>> But the data accuracy can’t be done in RDS, the accuracy is done
>> on a registrar level when collecting data.
>> RDS shall under no circumstances alter any information received
>> from registry / registrars and showing any different info than
>> what is collected on that level.
>> WG can look at what accuracy they want registrars to do yes, but
>> RDS doesn’t do anything.
>> --
>> Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen
>>
>> Benny Samuelsen
>> Registry Manager - Domainexpert
>>
>> Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
>> IANA-ID: 638
>> Phone: +46.42197080
>> Direct: +47.32260201
>> Mobile: +47.40410200
>> *From:*<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of
>> "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com <mailto:met at msk.com>>
>> *Date:*Wednesday, 5 October 2016 at 19:32
>> *To:*'Marika Konings' <marika.konings at icann.org
>> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, Volker Greimann
>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>,
>> "gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS
>> Statement of Purpose
>> Volker, what is the basis for your assertion that “data will be
>> presented "as is" in this system, with no
>> presumption of any prior cleanup work”?
>> That statement will be true if we ultimately conclude that the
>> current system is adequate and that we do not recommend
>> establishment of a new RDS. However, if we do recommend a new
>> system, then improvements to data accuracy are very much on the
>> table, as the charter provision quoted by Marika indicates.
>> Steve Metalitz
>> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
>> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org]*On Behalf Of*Marika
>> Konings
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, October 05, 2016 12:53 PM
>> *To:*Volker Greimann; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> *Subject:*Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS
>> Statement of Purpose
>> Volker, please note that the PDP WG Charter
>> (seehttps://community.icann.org/x/E4xlAw) includes the following
>> question:
>> **
>> */AspartofitsPhase1deliberations,/*/thePDPWGshouldworktoreach
>> consensusrecommendations byconsidering,*ataminimum*,
>> thefollowingcomplexandinter-related questions:/
>> /(…..)/
>> ·*/Data Accuracy:/**//*/Whatstepsshould
>> betakentoimprovedataaccuracy?/
>> /(……)/
>> Best regards,
>> Marika
>> On 05/10/16 05:58, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>> of Volker Greimann
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org%20on%20behalf%20of%20Volker%20Greimann>"
>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org%20on%20behalf%20of%20vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>> wrote:
>> I would move to strike all references to data quality
>> altogether from
>> this document, e.g. "current", "accurate" etc.
>> These are already required by existing policies and
>> agreements and do
>> not have to be referenced again at this point. We should
>> focus on having
>> to reflect the data as provided by the RNH at this stage, not
>> make any
>> presumptions about its quality.
>> After all, data will be presented "as is" in this system, with no
>> presumption of any prior cleanup work.
>> Best,
>> Volker
>> >> THE purpose of the "Registration Data Service" (hereafter
>> referred to
>> >> as
>> >> "RDS") is to manage authorised parties' access to
>> information about
>> >> [gTLD Domain Names, gTLD Nameservers, gTLD Registries and gTLD
>> >> Registrars]
>> >>
>> >> Purpose 3(a/b) are possible use cases, not Purposes as such
>> >>
>> >> "Accurate" is definitely not a term to use if we ever
>> expect to finish
>> >> - "Current" would be more accurate (sic) / appropriate.
>> > Agreed, with one minor suggestion:
>> >
>> > "access to information about generic top-level domain
>> registries, registrars, names, and name servers."
>> >
>> > Scott
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