[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose

Thu Oct 6 16:05:15 UTC 2016

Well said, Marc! You put into order what I tried to express.

Best,

Volker

Am 06.10.2016 um 16:33 schrieb Anderson, Marc:
> It seems to me in reading through this thread that there are a couple of different but interrelated points being made.
>
> A number of people have pointed out that Data Accuracy is within the scope of this working group.  I think that is clearly the case and I don’t think that anyone is actually disagreeing with that point.
>
> Others have pointed out that accurate data should be a goal.  I think that is something we can all agree on, accurate data is better than inaccurate data.  What I'm sure will be debated though is the lengths and measures required towards that goal.
>
> The other point being discussed is if it is "a purpose" of RDS to be accurate.  Here I think the definition of RDS is important.  If we are talking about the entire Registration Data ecosystem if you will, then accuracy would seem to be in play.  If we are talking about purpose of the system that displays Registration Data, then I'm not sure it is.  The existing Whois RDS doesn't do anything to ensure accurate data, it simply displays the data of record, accurate or not.
>
> Specification 2 of the 2013 RAA is the "Whois accuracy program specification".  A purpose of that specification is to ensure accurate Whois data.  I don't think a purpose of the Registration Directory Service is accuracy; the purpose of that system is simply to display Registration Data.
>
> Thank you,
> Marc
>
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For your review - updated RDS Statement of Purpose
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> As some in the WG have reminded us, we're not to take current policies for granted.  To build the edifice and arrive at policy statements for the future, we must lay a good foundation and should not omit the obvious.  So just because accuracy is in current ICANN policy is no reason to exclude it from the Statement of Purpose.
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> Accuracy is required in order to deliver other things in the Statement of Purpose, like "provid[ing] information about the lifecycle of a domain name ...to enable management of a domain name registration."  We are talking about a variety of registration data, including what domains were registered, their registration dates, what nameservers they are associated with, and so on.  Delivering inaccurate information in these areas will render an RDS pointless.
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> The accuracy of contact data specifically has long been a topic at ICANN.  I think that having perfect, 100%-all-the-time accurate contact data is a practical impossibility.  While 100% accuracy of contact data is not possible, it is valid to have accuracy as a general goal.
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> Our WG Charter say that in Phase 1, the WG should discuss "What steps should be taken to improve data accuracy?"  That implies that accuracy is a general requirement or goal.  Perhaps a discussion of the degree of contact data accuracy will come at some point.  See also SSAC 055.
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> So for these reasons I suggest that accuracy be left in.
>
> All best,
> --Greg
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> Agreed Volker
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>> On 5 Oct 2016, at 13:58, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>
>> I would move to strike all references to data quality altogether from this document, e.g. "current", "accurate" etc.
>> These are already required by existing policies and agreements and do not have to be referenced again at this point. We should focus on having to reflect the data as provided by the RNH at this stage, not make any presumptions about its quality.
>>
>> After all, data will be presented "as is" in this system, with no presumption of any prior cleanup work.
>>
>> Best,
>> Volker
>>
>>>> THE purpose of the "Registration Data Service" (hereafter referred
>>>> to as
>>>> "RDS") is to manage authorised parties' access to information about
>>>> [gTLD Domain Names, gTLD Nameservers, gTLD Registries and gTLD
>>>> Registrars]
>>>>
>>>> Purpose 3(a/b) are possible use cases, not Purposes as such
>>>>
>>>> "Accurate" is definitely not a term to use if we ever expect to finish
>>>>    - "Current" would be more accurate (sic) / appropriate.
>>> Agreed, with one minor suggestion:
>>>
>>> "access to information about generic top-level domain registries, registrars, names, and name servers."
>>>
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