[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois

Wed Feb 15 09:57:58 UTC 2017

> Scott, when I say fake email for WHOIS, most people generally 
> understand it to mean a junk email address, a "mailinator" or 
> "yopmail" address, or a newly created email address that will never be 
> used again. The "verification" process is straightforward and quickly 
> learned by anyone that doesn't understand, and no part of the process 
> forces people to use an e-mail address that they actively use. At this 
> point in time most Internet users understand the concept of a junk 
> email address.
That is a completely different issue as the whois is essentially correct 
and the address fulfills all policy requirements. The availability and 
use of such addresses may also have legitimate purposes.
> The fact that it happened twice, three, and ten years ago does not 
> change the daily reality that this information is not verified, even 
> when reported through a registrar's abuse channels. I'm going to 
> continue stating that this policy is a joke until the reality of the 
> bad state of WHOIS data changes, and then I will change my mind based 
> on the evidence.
Verification may be impossible. Validation on the other hand is 
possible. If you do not like the policy as it stands, propose an 
alternative solution. Ideally also tell us who will pay for it.

Best,
Volker
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Hollenbeck, Scott 
> <shollenbeck at verisign.com <mailto:shollenbeck at verisign.com>> wrote:
>
>     *From:*allison nixon [mailto:elsakoo at gmail.com
>     <mailto:elsakoo at gmail.com>]
>     *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2017 1:35 PM
>     *To:* Hollenbeck, Scott <shollenbeck at verisign.com
>     <mailto:shollenbeck at verisign.com>>
>     *Cc:* vgreimann at key-systems.net
>     <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>     *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois
>
>     >>[SAH] Actually, there *are* requirements to provide valid data
>     and for registrars to perform validation processing:
>
>     How do you expect toothless policy to work *on the Internet*?
>     Seriously?
>
>     *//*
>
>     Yes, seriously. Registrars who do not implement the policy are
>     subject to having their accreditation revoked. ICANN has, in fact,
>     revoked or suspended accreditations. Here are two examples:
>
>     https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2007-03-16-en
>     <https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2007-03-16-en>
>
>     https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/serad-to-patel-2-18jul14-en.pdf
>     <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/serad-to-patel-2-18jul14-en.pdf>
>
>     worst that can happen when you put in fake whois data is that your
>     domain gets reported, you change "123 fake st" to "124 fake st",
>     and your registrar is satisfied because what more can they
>     possibly do. I know this because I went through this with an old
>     sinkhole domain. It's a total joke. Let's not pretend it's
>     anything more than that.
>
>     Not true. A fake email address, for example, can be detected
>     easily when email sent to it (one of the registrar’s validation
>     requirements) gets bounced back. The worst that can happen is that
>     your domain gets put into some non-operational state (“suspend the
>     registration” per the RAA).
>
>     Scott
>
>
>
>
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