[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois

Mon Feb 20 17:42:13 UTC 2017

If whoever came stuck their hand in their pocket for say 10 or 20 bucks, we could see if we could do a deal with a pub. 

It was only a thought :) 

Kind regards, 

Chris 

From: "Michele Neylon" <michele at blacknight.com> 
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois 

Maybe punt until we’re somewhere a bit more affordable? 

Copenhagen is going to be pricey J 

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From: <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com> 
Date: Monday 20 February 2017 at 16:43 
To: Chris Pelling <chris at netearth.net> 
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois 

That was a good event (the Dublin public safety/registrars event). 

John Horton 
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On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 8:29 AM, Chris Pelling < chris at netearth.net > wrote: 

HI Sam, 

Well, we have ICANN 58 coming up with a very tight schedule looking at the draft. Something the registrars took on was at the Dublin meeting, we booked a room above a pub, got some drinks and munchies together, to get the "LEA/Public safety" and registrars together - the night was a success. 

IF we could find somewhere, and get something sorted, would there be any interest from the group, and if so, how many ? 

I appreciate this is a totally different situation and requirement, but, its just a thought :) 

Kind regards, 

Chris 

From: "Sam Lanfranco" < sam at lanfranco.net > 
To: "chris" < chris at netearth.net >, "Michele Neylon" < michele at blacknight.com > 
Cc: "gnso-rds-pdp-wg" < gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org > 
Sent: Monday, 20 February, 2017 14:38:40 
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Dangers of public whois 

Chris, 

Your comment yanked my chain. I agree with you 100% when you say “The problem is from the takedown / infringement requests we see, 1, 2 and 3 [ due diligence ] are not even thought of, so part of this is education .” Good idea. How do we get there from here? 

As an economist I get pulled into very large project proposals that are being clobbered together by well meaning, well educated, people with their own personal PICs (Public Interest Commitments) and who just want to do good. In the “good works” area there are just as many crooks, frauds, and sociopaths as can be found trolling in the DNS system. However, over and over again it takes me less than two hours of due diligence to uncover yet one more “financier” who is a fraud, a crook, or simply trolling for a big hit, and has the financial resources of a raccoon, information the “good works” people have managed to overlook. 

An effective educational strategy is clearly needed here. That may include a DumbOne’s Guide to DNS Complaints (avoided a trademark there) and maybe even generic semi-standard forms for initiating complaints. To do that, it would be useful to know the data on types of complaints by type of complainant (e.g. how many and what types come from lawyers, from individuals, etc.) as background for better education here. Access to that "How to" guide should at least be flagged in the domain name registration process, the web hosting process and in queries about complaining. 

Sam L. 

On 2/20/2017 8:32 AM, Chris Pelling wrote: 

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I'll weigh in here for a registrar who does not host content that is not owned by him. 

My views and points on this are, for content based issues, in priority order, top being the highest (and first port of call) : 

1. Registrant if available or any contact that is identifiable on the website in question, if a sub-domain, check the main domain by removing the subdomain and adding www or leaving it off. (some free hosting sites give subdomains away free, but the main site is always only 1 click away) 

2. Hosting company, look at the nameservers and this sometimes gives the hosting company name, put the nameserver name into google and more often than not, the hosting company will pop up - contact them alerting them to the fact that there is potentially infringing information on a website that is hosted on servers under their control. Good hosting companies are very responsive. 

3. If you cannot work out 2 above, whois the IP address of the website (including any subdomain), this will give you the IP address owner, they will surely know whom that have given / rented / leased the IPs too and this gives you 2 above. If you from doing this get the registrar and they are not the hosting company, this would lend to it be a forwarding service, 

4. If they are a "reseller centric/wholesale" registrar (eNom, Tucows. Realtime, NEO), then WHOIS will often have a "Registration service provided by" or "Reseller" in the whois output, this gives you the registering party who took the order, if not at the very least the registrar. 

The problem is from the takedown / infringement requests we see, 1, 2 and 3 are not even thought of, so part of this is education. 

Kind regards, 

Chris 

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