[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Purpose in accordance with Registry Agreement section 2.18

[jonathan matkowsky]

What do you mean?

Jonathan Matkowsky

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 6:39 PM, benny at nordreg.se <benny at nordreg.se> wrote:

> And you can by that say with a 100 % certainty that those abused data was
> not originating from whois it self?
>
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>
> Benny Samuelsen
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>
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> > On 6 Jun 2017, at 16:54, jonathan matkowsky <
> jonathan.matkowsky at riskiq.net> wrote:
> >
> > Abusive domains are also seriously problematic from a privacy standpoint
> because apart from fake credentials as Natale mentions below, I can't begin
> to tell you how many cases I've seen in the last several years where
> innocent peoples' identities are compromised and then used in the Whois as
> part of the abuse. Without access to the public Whois, they never would
> have known their identity had been stolen. Access to Whois for abusive
> domains actually serves to protect privacy interests.
> >
> > Jonathan Matkowsky
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Natale Maria Bianchi <nmb at spamhaus.org>
> wrote:
> > Besides private and business domains, there is also the large category of
> > abusive domains - domains registered (or acquired from a previous owner)
> > for the only purpose of abusing the Internet.  One may perhaps categorize
> > them as "business", but it does not make much sense to put them together
> > with domains used legitimately, or worry much about privacy issues -
> > those are typically registered giving fake credentials, or the
> > credentials are hidden from the public through an anonymous registration,
> > and no one will every file a privacy complaint about those.
> >
> > There are operations out there that do this on a massive, industrial
> scale,
> > registering hundreds or thousands of domains per day that are going to be
> > used for a very short time, even a few minutes in the most extreme cases
> > (hailstorm spammers).  In these cases, literally every second after
> > registration matters, and whois is therefore a very critical resource for
> > abuse researchers.  This is why I and others are here.
> >
> > Due to the automated methods used for these registrations and the
> > consequent correlations between them, it is quite common to be able to
> > indeed distinguish this category of domains with "sufficient accuracy"
> > once whois data have been retrieved.
> >
> > So please think in terms of three de facto categories rather than two:
> >
> >         *  legitimate, private
> >         *  legitimate, business
> >         *  abusive
> >
> > I am not suggesting that one puts the third category in ICANN
> > agreements :)  I am merely reminding that looking for abusive domains
> > is a very important operational aspect of thin and thick whois, and
> > care should be taken not to throw this other baby away with
> > the baby water.
> >
> > Natale Maria Bianchi
> > Spamhaus Project
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 11:24:10AM +0200, Volker Greimann wrote:
> > > If you can differentiate the use that a domain isgoing to be put to
> > > at the time of registration with sufficient accuracy, you are due
> > > for an an award ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 02.06.2017 um 22:15 schrieb Dotzero:
> > > >The overwhelming majority of domains registered would be
> > > >considered for commercial purposes. The fact that a small
> > > >percentage of domains are registered by individuals for personal
> > > >use should not be the determining factor as to what is appropriate
> > > >for ICANN to do. In fact, many of what people assert are personal
> > > >domains have advertising on them and would therefor be considered
> > > >by almost any jurisdiction to be engaged in a commercial activity.
> > > >This includes many (most?) parked domains.
> > > [...]
> >
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