[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data

Sat Mar 4 22:36:02 UTC 2017

Yes - Kiran is spot on here. Well said Kiran. 

Richard Leaning
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> On 4 Mar 2017, at 21:18, Winterfeldt, Brian J. <BWinterfeldt at mayerbrown.com> wrote:
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> +1 as well
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> On Mar 4, 2017, at 4:16 PM, theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl> wrote:
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>> 
>> +1 Kiran,
>> 
>> All input is valuable at this point.
>> 
>> Theo
>> 
>>> On 4-3-2017 21:54, Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>>> ICANN has a long history of reaching out and inviting interested organizations to participation in the multi stakeholder community, especially when they express interest via a letter, etc. The ICANN organization had specific outreach groups within for that purpose.
>>> 
>>> I am alarmed at the attempts to both discredit this organization's viewpoint and at the suggestion that it's somehow inappropriate for ICANN and PDP leadership to encourage participation just because some people don't like the group that is expressing its opinion.
>>> 
>>> Ayden, if you're worried about viewpoint balance, I suggest we take a look at the roster of this group and the SOIs to better understand if outreach is needed in any particular area and go from there. The answer is never LESS outreach, always MORE with the goal of meaningful, well-informed input.
>>> 
>>> Kiran
>>> 
>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>> Policy Counselor
>>> MarkMonitor
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>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 4, 2017, at 11:41 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I suggest you invite them Ayden.  If you are bothered by the fact that I asked staff to contact the association I will cancel my request of staff and encourage others to do that.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> From: Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann at ferdeline.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:15 PM
>>> To: Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
>>> Cc: gregshatanipc at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>; vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>>> 
>>> If we are going to send an invite letter to this organisation requesting their participation, I am happy to provide a list of other organisations whose voices are missing from this WG so that ICANN staff can invite them to participate as well. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> - Ayden
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>>> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:10 PM
>>> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:10
>>> From: cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>> To: gregshatanipc at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>, icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>, vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net> <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Very well said Greg.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that we should reach out to them and invite them to have a representative or representatives join our WG.
>>> 
>>> Marika/Lisa – Would one of you please prepare an invitation letter and identify who and where we should send it.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shatan
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2017 11:13 AM
>>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>; Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>>> Cc: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "They can ask for anything they like, it is not like it has legal binding status. It is a wish list, nothing more..."
>>> This is no different than any other stakeholder (or group of stakeholders). Even GAC members. So their input should be accepted on an equal footing with any other input.  There seems to be a curious amount of effort devoted to discounting this input, much of it based on identity (or opinions about that identity) rather than substance.
>>> 
>>> On top of giving due consideration to their input, it may also be appropriate to engage in outreach and engagement with this organization.  Participation in the multistakeholder process would be more useful  in the long run vs. issuing resolutions.  Useful for them, useful for all of us, and useful for the process.
>>> 
>>> As an INGO of LE professionals, there may be no existing SO/AC that would be an appropriate "home" for the IOCP, which makes it all the more important that they understand they are welcome to participate, as well as to communicate in other ways (such as resolutions).
>>> 
>>> Greg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:54 AM Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com<mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>> +1 Volker
>>> 
>>> - Ayden
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>>> Local Time: 3 March 2017 9:21 AM
>>> UTC Time: 3 March 2017 09:21
>>> From: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Good thing that police are law "enforcement" not legislators. They can ask for anything they like, it is not like it has legal binding status. It is a wish list, nothing more...
>>> 
>>>> Am 02.03.2017 um 19:35 schrieb Greg Aaron:
>>> The International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) has issued an official resolution regarding domain name registration data.
>>> 
>>> The resolution requests that ICANN and related parties provide “continued access to publicly available databases concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in situations where the maintenance of these databases may conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the International law enforcement to assist in the resolution of these potential conflicts before removing or restricting law enforcement access to this critical information; and… that IACP membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access to the above-referenced resources for all of the international law enforcement community.”
>>> 
>>> Founded in 1893, the IACP (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.iacp.org&data=01%7C01%7CBWinterfeldt%40mayerbrown.com%7C02623fbb276547018c0a08d46343bc8b%7C09131022b7854e6d8d42916975e51262%7C0&sdata=q6z%2FKPjbkJ4Xtgi4rYL0MKzyhbbyrhy43%2FbAYJ5dE0E%3D&reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iacp.org&data=01%7C01%7CBWinterfeldt%40mayerbrown.com%7C02623fbb276547018c0a08d46343bc8b%7C09131022b7854e6d8d42916975e51262%7C0&sdata=cdm3FwLWcYB%2FvMPInNbHSElFbgmLbS6sBh6%2FH1ZvwiQ%3D&reserved=0>)  is the professional association for law enforcement officers, with members in 133 countries worldwide, primarily leadership-level personnel in national, state/provincial, and local agencies.  "The Association's goals are to advance the science and art of police services; to develop and disseminate improved administrative, technical and operational practices and promote their use in police work; to foster police cooperation and the exchange of information and experience among police administrators throughout the world....and to encourage adherence of all police officers to high professional standards of performance and conduct."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The text of the full resolution is below and contains the rationales.  It notes that loss of access to the currently available data “would severely cripple or eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a timely manner.”
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The document is attached, and also at: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.theiacp.org%2FResolutions&data=01%7C01%7CBWinterfeldt%40mayerbrown.com%7C02623fbb276547018c0a08d46343bc8b%7C09131022b7854e6d8d42916975e51262%7C0&sdata=SbUpW5A4OqLl4%2Frp9apwb9tx4QmoH3ZM58jEyrRPDxY%3D&reserved=0
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>>> I kindly request that this be added to our bank of reference materials.  (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Support for Law Enforcement Access to Publicly Available and Accurate Internet Address Registration Data to include privacy protected registrant information and related Forensic Resources to facilitate investigation of Cybercrime and Cyber Enabled Crime
>>> Submitted by: Communications and Technology Committee
>>> CTC.06.t16
>>> WHEREAS, this is an updated version of an expired 2005 adopted resolution then submitted by the Communications and Technology Committee as CT23.a05 and adopted at the 112th Annual Conference; and
>>> WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of Internet communications is one of the most valuable tools available to law enforcement in identifying both the perpetrators and victims of crime; and
>>> WHEREAS, the Internet is global in nature, and as such, poses challenges when conducting multiagency international investigations, including delays imposed when obtaining international legal process; and
>>> WHEREAS, electronic or digital evidence associated with the Internet is fleeting in nature, and law enforcement officials must obtain timely access to this information to fulfill law enforcement duties; and
>>> WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity and international nature of the Internet, and the fleeting nature of electronic or digital evidence, to thwart law enforcement investigations; and
>>> WHEREAS, publicly available databases containing information involving the allocation of Internet resources and who they are assigned to, such as Internet Protocol address space and domain names, are a critical tool used by law enforcement, and because these databases are public in nature, allow law enforcement agencies access to conduct investigations in the most timely manner possible; and
>>> WHERAS, allocation of Internet resources is expanding rapidly due to impending exhaustion of Internet Protocol Version 4 address space and the subsequent and simultaneous implementation of Internet Protocol Version 6 as well as the implementation of numerous new top level domains by the Internet Corporation for the Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), accurate and easily accessible registrant information is now even more important to law enforcement than in 2005 when the original resolution was adopted; and
>>> WHEREAS, ICANN and its International members involved in the creation of policy consensus and administration of this information currently are considering new registrant data policy which may seek to restrict or eliminate fluid public access due to business, privacy, or data-mining concerns; and
>>> WHEREAS, the elimination or restriction of easy fluid access to this information would severely cripple or eliminate the ability of law enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a timely manner; now therefore be it
>>> RESOLVED, that the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP) strongly urges the related Internet administration communities, including governments, regional Internet registries, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, Internet Service Providers, domain-name registries, domain-name registrars, and Internet service providers to assist law enforcement by providing continued access to publicly available databases concerning the allocation of Internet resources, and in situations where the maintenance of these databases may conflict with privacy regulation, business concerns, or data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with the International law enforcement to assist in the resolution of these potential conflicts before removing or restricting law enforcement access to this critical information; and be it
>>> FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access to the above-referenced resources for all of the international law enforcement community.
>>> 
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