[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Mon Mar 6 15:35:56 UTC 2017
I hesitate to even venture a comment on this topic, lest it generate
another 20 comments, but I am very puzzled about this whole discussion.
I am admittedly much more familiar with the Canadian Association of
Chiefs of Police, a lobby group/professional association which is
remarkably similar to this organization, only on a national level. OF
course any of the police lobby associations are free to join us, but is
anyone suggesting that we do not have adequate representation of law
enforcement interests at ICANN? Do we not have several representatives
of police agencies on this working group? Law enforcement organizations
regularly form part of GAC delegations, certainly our RCMP are often
part of the Canadian delegation to the GAC. Law enforcement officials
have formed a public safety working group.....any of these
representatives are presumably capable of drafting papers for their
national organizations and indeed I suspect someone has drafted this
document for the International Association, given the specificity of the
resolutions. I am sure many national associations will endorse it and
bring it to their own national governments, who in turn will forward it
to their GAC delegations.
Police organizations regularly lobby for legislative change to
facilitate their work. (it is nevertheless interesting that this
international organization has a link for contacting your congressman,
http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/ right under the drop down menu for
what we do). It is not surprising that they have prepared a resolution
on WHOIS, those of us who have followed the impact of technology on
police work have seen many similar resolutions on different issues.
Police face problems of time and expense, not to mention constitutional
protection. However, It is not like law enforcement has not had its
views very well represented at ICANN over many years. Given, as Michele
has pointed out, that the bar for membership on this working group is
exceedingly low (show up) it seems to me the issue we need to worry
about is, who does not have the time and money to show up.
Stephanie Perrin
On 2017-03-05 10:57, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> Chuck
>
> That seems a lot saner and more scalable.
>
> Regards
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> Michele
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> *From: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 5 March 2017 at 15:56
> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>, "icann at ferdeline.com"
> <icann at ferdeline.com>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement
> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> I’m concerned that this could turn into an unending administrative
> workload for staff and would like them to focus their time in helping
> us do our deliberations. I am now sorry I made the suggestion.
>
> Marika has made a good suggestion on the leadership list that we
> encourage all members to send our latest WG update to any
> organizations that may have a stake in what we are doing and invite
> them to join as members or observers.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele at blacknight.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:12 AM
> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>; Gomes, Chuck
> <cgomes at verisign.com>
> *Cc:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
> enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> Ayden
>
> If you supply the names and contact details for organisations who you
> think should be invited to contribute in some form then I’m sure that
> we can deal with it.
> However so far you haven’t.
>
> As others have pointed out, the ICANN processes are open to everyone.
> The barrier to entry is incredibly low. All you need to do is turn up.
>
> Input is always welcome and encouraged.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
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> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Ayden
> Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
> *Date: *Saturday 4 March 2017 at 19:44
> *To: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement
> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> If the invitation to this association will be going out on ICANN
> letterhead and facilitated by ICANN staff, I consider it only fair
> that other invitations be sent out in the same manner.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ayden
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement
> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:40 PM
>
> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:40
>
> From: cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>
> To: icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>
> gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
> vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>,
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>
> I suggest you invite them Ayden. If you are bothered by the fact
> that I asked staff to contact the association I will cancel my
> request of staff and encourage others to do that.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann at ferdeline.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:15 PM
> *To:* Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
> *Cc:* gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>;
> vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>;
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
> enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> If we are going to send an invite letter to this organisation
> requesting their participation, I am happy to provide a list of
> other organisations whose voices are missing from this WG so that
> ICANN staff can invite them to participate as well. Thanks.
>
> - Ayden
>
> -------- Original Message --------
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> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement
> association resolution regarding domain registration data
>
> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:10 PM
>
> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:10
>
> From: cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>
> To: gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
> icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>,
> vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>
> Very well said Greg.
>
> It seems to me that we should reach out to them and invite
> them to have a representative or representatives join our WG.
>
> Marika/Lisa – Would one of you please prepare an invitation
> letter and identify who and where we should send it.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Shatan
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 11:13 AM
> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>; Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> *Cc:* RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
> registration data
>
> "They can ask for anything they like, it is not like it
> has legal binding status. It is a wish list, nothing more..."
>
> This is no different than any other stakeholder (or group of
> stakeholders). Even GAC members. So their input should be
> accepted on an equal footing with any other input. There
> seems to be a curious amount of effort devoted to discounting
> this input, much of it based on identity (or opinions about
> that identity) rather than substance.
>
> On top of giving due consideration to their input, it may also
> be appropriate to engage in outreach and engagement with this
> organization. Participation in the multistakeholder process
> would be more useful in the long run vs. issuing
> resolutions. Useful for them, useful for all of us, and
> useful for the process.
>
> As an INGO of LE professionals, there may be no existing SO/AC
> that would be an appropriate "home" for the IOCP, which makes
> it all the more important that they understand they are
> welcome to participate, as well as to communicate in other
> ways (such as resolutions).
>
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:54 AM Ayden Férdeline
> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
> +1 Volker
>
> - Ayden
>
> -------- Original Message --------
>
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
> registration data
>
> Local Time: 3 March 2017 9:21 AM
>
> UTC Time: 3 March 2017 09:21
>
> From: vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>
> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
> Good thing that police are law "enforcement" not
> legislators. They can ask for anything they like, it
> is not like it has legal binding status. It is a wish
> list, nothing more...
>
> Am 02.03.2017 um 19:35 schrieb Greg Aaron:
>
> The International Association of Chiefs of Police
> (IACP) has issued an official resolution regarding
> domain name registration data.
>
> The resolution requests that ICANN and related
> parties provide “continued access to publicly
> available databases concerning the allocation of
> Internet resources, and in situations where the
> maintenance of these databases may conflict with
> privacy regulation, business concerns, or
> data-mining prevention efforts, fully consult with
> the International law enforcement to assist in the
> resolution of these potential conflicts before
> removing or restricting law enforcement access to
> this critical information; and… that IACP
> membership coordinate the above efforts to achieve
> the goal of providing consistent, equal, and
> uniform access to the above-referenced resources
> for all of the international law enforcement
> community.”
>
> Founded in 1893, the IACP (www.iacp.org
> <http://www.iacp.org>) is the professional
> association for law enforcement officers, with
> members in 133 countries worldwide, primarily
> leadership-level personnel in national,
> state/provincial, and local agencies. "The
> Association's goals are to advance the science and
> art of police services; to develop and disseminate
> improved administrative, technical and operational
> practices and promote their use in police work; to
> foster police cooperation and the exchange of
> information and experience among police
> administrators throughout the world....and to
> encourage adherence of all police officers to high
> professional standards of performance and conduct."
>
> The text of the full resolution is below and
> contains the rationales. It notes that loss of
> access to the currently available data “would
> severely cripple or eliminate the ability of law
> enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a
> timely manner.”
>
> The document is attached, and also at:
> http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions
>
> I kindly request that this be added to our bank of
> reference materials. (Thanks, Lisa and Michelle.)
>
> Support for Law Enforcement Access to Publicly
> Available and Accurate Internet Address
> Registration Data to include privacy protected
> registrant information and related Forensic
> Resources to facilitate investigation of
> Cybercrime and Cyber Enabled Crime
>
> Submitted by: Communications and Technology Committee
>
> CTC.06.t16
>
> WHEREAS, this is an updated version of an expired
> 2005 adopted resolution then submitted by the
> Communications and Technology Committee as
> CT23.a05 and adopted at the 112th Annual
> Conference; and
>
> WHEREAS, the lawful investigation of Internet
> communications is one of the most valuable tools
> available to law enforcement in identifying both
> the perpetrators and victims of crime; and
>
> WHEREAS, the Internet is global in nature, and as
> such, poses challenges when conducting multiagency
> international investigations, including delays
> imposed when obtaining international legal
> process; and
>
> WHEREAS, electronic or digital evidence associated
> with the Internet is fleeting in nature, and law
> enforcement officials must obtain timely access to
> this information to fulfill law enforcement
> duties; and
>
> WHEREAS, criminals use the anonymity and
> international nature of the Internet, and the
> fleeting nature of electronic or digital evidence,
> to thwart law enforcement investigations; and
>
> WHEREAS, publicly available databases containing
> information involving the allocation of Internet
> resources and who they are assigned to, such as
> Internet Protocol address space and domain names,
> are a critical tool used by law enforcement, and
> because these databases are public in nature,
> allow law enforcement agencies access to conduct
> investigations in the most timely manner possible; and
>
> WHERAS, allocation of Internet resources is
> expanding rapidly due to impending exhaustion of
> Internet Protocol Version 4 address space and the
> subsequent and simultaneous implementation of
> Internet Protocol Version 6 as well as the
> implementation of numerous new top level domains
> by the Internet Corporation for the Assigned Names
> and Numbers (ICANN), accurate and easily
> accessible registrant information is now even more
> important to law enforcement than in 2005 when the
> original resolution was adopted; and
>
> WHEREAS, ICANN and its International members
> involved in the creation of policy consensus and
> administration of this information currently are
> considering new registrant data policy which may
> seek to restrict or eliminate fluid public access
> due to business, privacy, or data-mining concerns; and
>
> WHEREAS, the elimination or restriction of easy
> fluid access to this information would severely
> cripple or eliminate the ability of law
> enforcement agencies to conduct investigation in a
> timely manner; now therefore be it
>
> RESOLVED, that the International Association of
> Chiefs of Police (IACP) strongly urges the related
> Internet administration communities, including
> governments, regional Internet registries, the
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers, Internet Service Providers, domain-name
> registries, domain-name registrars, and Internet
> service providers to assist law enforcement by
> providing continued access to publicly available
> databases concerning the allocation of Internet
> resources, and in situations where the maintenance
> of these databases may conflict with privacy
> regulation, business concerns, or data-mining
> prevention efforts, fully consult with the
> International law enforcement to assist in the
> resolution of these potential conflicts before
> removing or restricting law enforcement access to
> this critical information; and be it
>
> FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP membership
> coordinate the above efforts to achieve the goal
> of providing consistent, equal, and uniform access
> to the above-referenced resources for all of the
> international law enforcement community.
>
> **********************************
>
> Greg Aaron
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