[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law enforcement association resolution regarding domain registration data
John Bambenek
jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
Tue Mar 7 15:50:18 UTC 2017
On 03/07/2017 07:45 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>
>> 1) No one is demanding no action. In fact in another email I
>> suggested one solution. Whois privacy protection for free.
> Sure, who will pay for the attached costs then?
If you can't set the price of your services to cover the costs the
proper term to describe you is "bankrupt".
>> 2) the blanket statement that having a specific opinion is bad
>> because I won't be defending in court is just a polite way of saying
>> the only voices that matter here are the registrars. If that's the
>> case, let's drop the "open and collaborative" crap and just be honest
>> that only certain stakeholders matter and everyone else can sod off.
> Everyone has a right to voice their opinion and every voice counts. If
> only registrar voices counted, a lot of policy would look differently,
> if only from an implementation standpoint. If you believe only
> registrar viewpoints count you have obviously not been watching ICANN
> over the last few years.
>
>>
>> 3) why wait? If privacy advocates want to have the fight that whois
>> data is an egregious privacy risk, do it. If my side doesn't win in
>> the courts, we will win in the legislatures and, on that day, it will
>> be winner takes all.
> Yup, we are seeing that right now. Until the courts take it back again...
There is an ebb and flow of laws, especially in technology. I have no
fear of that and happy to lend whatever expertise I have to those
crafting those laws and the consequences therein.
>
> V
>>
>> J
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 7, 2017, at 08:59, Stephanie Perrin
>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is why they are coming to Copenhagen. I urge you to listen to
>>> what Giovanni Buttarelli says next week. When I worked for the
>>> Canadian Privacy Commissioner, I spoke at the Vancouver conference
>>> (2005??). Giovanni Buttarelli came in 2003 I believe, Rodota
>>> earlier. Diana Alonso Blass came to Montreal, I think that was
>>> 2003.....
>>>
>>> To demand that no action be taken until someone takes a case to
>>> Court, is, in my view, not an acceptable position to take, when it
>>> is not you that will be in Court defending ICANN's policies and
>>> contracts. However, I can assure you that there are plenty of folks
>>> out there ready to mount a campaign if reasoned discussion gets us
>>> nowhere....
>>>
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-03-07 08:51, John Bambenek wrote:
>>>> None of those seem to assert that publication of whois data is
>>>> illegal or that concerns for the edge cases aren't handled by the
>>>> various whois privacy regimes. And apparently they've been looking
>>>> at this for at least 14 years and haven't initiated a legal action.
>>>>
>>>> But since we're in the open and invited mood, let's not limit
>>>> ourselves to interpreting what they have said in limited ways as a
>>>> global principle. Why not just invite them to the group and they
>>>> can speak for themselves directly.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 23:25, Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Attached are a few. Happy reading.
>>>>>
>>>>> SP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-03-07 00:04, John Bambenek wrote:
>>>>>> I didn't find specifically what you are referencing but did see
>>>>>> this ICANN legal review that seems to directly contradict what
>>>>>> you are
>>>>>> saying. https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52889541/ICANN%20Memorandum%20to%20the%20IRT%20-%20Thin%20to%20Thick%20WHOIS%20Transition_Final_2015-06-08.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:47 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please check the documents which we have received from the data
>>>>>>> protection authorities over the past 18 years, they are in the
>>>>>>> library of reference documents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-03-06 23:41, John Bambenek wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Public disclosure of personal data is a violation of law"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specifically what law outlaws the display of whois information?
>>>>>>>> Do you have a court order, a cease and desist or any
>>>>>>>> documentation to back this up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because unless there is some pending action, I am unconvinced
>>>>>>>> this is truly unlawful. Its not like this data being out there
>>>>>>>> is new and that governments haven't been aware of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 6, 2017, at 22:32, Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your interest. My comments inline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2017-03-06 20:35, allison nixon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The level of resistance here against investigative use cases
>>>>>>>>>> is very interesting.
>>>>>>>>> To what are you referring, specifically, and what do you mean
>>>>>>>>> by interesting?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People claim to care about privacy and then attempt to shut
>>>>>>>>>> down a major aspect of combating cybercrime, which is a
>>>>>>>>>> bigger violator of privacy than all the whois spam put
>>>>>>>>>> together and multiplied by a million.
>>>>>>>>> Who is talking about shutting down? Public disclosure of
>>>>>>>>> personal data is a violation of law. There are many other
>>>>>>>>> ways to disclose the data to lawful investigators.
>>>>>>>>>> To see an individual person denouncing an organization of
>>>>>>>>>> many people as somehow not legitimate enough to participate,
>>>>>>>>>> while oneself participates- that's also interesting.
>>>>>>>>> Who are you referring to, which Individual person? And what
>>>>>>>>> do you mean by denounce? and who said the referenced
>>>>>>>>> organization ( I presume you mean the International
>>>>>>>>> association of Chiefs of Police) was not "legitimate enough"
>>>>>>>>> to participate? Certainly not me or Patrick, to whom, I
>>>>>>>>> presume, you are directly responding.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Claims that WHOIS data is sensitive and accurate PII despite
>>>>>>>>>> common use of trash data and WHOIS privacy, also interesting.
>>>>>>>>> Honest people are putting their accurate data into their
>>>>>>>>> registration data. Criminals, likely not. I am not sure what
>>>>>>>>> you find interesting here, could you please explain what you
>>>>>>>>> mean by interesting, and what particular comment about
>>>>>>>>> sensitive and accurate PII you are referencing? By WHOIS
>>>>>>>>> privacy I presume you mean privacy proxy services??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Something does not add up.
>>>>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Patrick Lenihan via
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 Stephanie; as a former USA law enforcement officer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---- Original Message ----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 11:36 am
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>>>>>>> registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hesitate to even venture a comment on this topic, lest
>>>>>>>>>> it generate another 20 comments, but I am very puzzled
>>>>>>>>>> about this whole discussion. I am admittedly much more
>>>>>>>>>> familiar with the Canadian Association of Chiefs of
>>>>>>>>>> Police, a lobby group/professional association which is
>>>>>>>>>> remarkably similar to this organization, only on a
>>>>>>>>>> national level. OF course any of the police lobby
>>>>>>>>>> associations are free to join us, but is anyone
>>>>>>>>>> suggesting that we do not have adequate representation of
>>>>>>>>>> law enforcement interests at ICANN? Do we not have
>>>>>>>>>> several representatives of police agencies on this
>>>>>>>>>> working group? Law enforcement organizations regularly
>>>>>>>>>> form part of GAC delegations, certainly our RCMP are
>>>>>>>>>> often part of the Canadian delegation to the GAC. Law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement officials have formed a public safety working
>>>>>>>>>> group.....any of these representatives are presumably
>>>>>>>>>> capable of drafting papers for their national
>>>>>>>>>> organizations and indeed I suspect someone has drafted
>>>>>>>>>> this document for the International Association, given
>>>>>>>>>> the specificity of the resolutions. I am sure many
>>>>>>>>>> national associations will endorse it and bring it to
>>>>>>>>>> their own national governments, who in turn will forward
>>>>>>>>>> it to their GAC delegations.
>>>>>>>>>> Police organizations regularly lobby for legislative
>>>>>>>>>> change to facilitate their work. (it is nevertheless
>>>>>>>>>> interesting that this international organization has a
>>>>>>>>>> link for contacting your congressman,
>>>>>>>>>> http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/
>>>>>>>>>> <http://capwiz.com/theiacp/issues/> right under the drop
>>>>>>>>>> down menu for what we do). It is not surprising that
>>>>>>>>>> they have prepared a resolution on WHOIS, those of us who
>>>>>>>>>> have followed the impact of technology on police work
>>>>>>>>>> have seen many similar resolutions on different issues.
>>>>>>>>>> Police face problems of time and expense, not to mention
>>>>>>>>>> constitutional protection. However, It is not like law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement has not had its views very well represented
>>>>>>>>>> at ICANN over many years. Given, as Michele has pointed
>>>>>>>>>> out, that the bar for membership on this working group is
>>>>>>>>>> exceedingly low (show up) it seems to me the issue we
>>>>>>>>>> need to worry about is, who does not have the time and
>>>>>>>>>> money to show up.
>>>>>>>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-03-05 10:57, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That seems a lot saner and more scalable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michele
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>>>>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>>>>>>> http://blacknight.blog /
>>>>>>>>>> http://ceo.hosting/
>>>>>>>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <tel:+353%2059%20918%203072>
>>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:+353%2059%20918%203090>
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
>>>>>>>>>> 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>>>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Sunday 5 March 2017 at 15:56
>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Michele Neylon <michele at blacknight.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:michele at blacknight.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> "icann at ferdeline.com" <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>>>>>>> registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m concerned that this could turn into an unending
>>>>>>>>>> administrative workload for staff and would like them
>>>>>>>>>> to focus their time in helping us do our
>>>>>>>>>> deliberations. I am now sorry I made the suggestion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marika has made a good suggestion on the leadership
>>>>>>>>>> list that we encourage all members to send our latest
>>>>>>>>>> WG update to any organizations that may have a stake
>>>>>>>>>> in what we are doing and invite them to join as
>>>>>>>>>> members or observers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:michele at blacknight.com]
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 05, 2017 8:12 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>; Gomes, Chuck
>>>>>>>>>> <cgomes at verisign.com> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>>>>>>> international law enforcement association resolution
>>>>>>>>>> regarding domain registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you supply the names and contact details for
>>>>>>>>>> organisations who you think should be invited to
>>>>>>>>>> contribute in some form then I’m sure that we can
>>>>>>>>>> deal with it.
>>>>>>>>>> However so far you haven’t.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As others have pointed out, the ICANN processes are
>>>>>>>>>> open to everyone. The barrier to entry is incredibly
>>>>>>>>>> low. All you need to do is turn up.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Input is always welcome and encouraged.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michele
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Solutions
>>>>>>>>>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blacknight.host/
>>>>>>>>>> http://blacknight.blog /
>>>>>>>>>> http://ceo.hosting/
>>>>>>>>>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <tel:+353%2059%20918%203072>
>>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:+353%2059%20918%203090>
>>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit
>>>>>>>>>> 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
>>>>>>>>>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From: *<gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf
>>>>>>>>>> of Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Reply-To: *Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Date: *Saturday 4 March 2017 at 19:44
>>>>>>>>>> *To: *Chuck Gomes <cgomes at verisign.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>"
>>>>>>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding domain
>>>>>>>>>> registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the invitation to this association will be going
>>>>>>>>>> out on ICANN letterhead and facilitated by ICANN
>>>>>>>>>> staff, I consider it only fair that other invitations
>>>>>>>>>> be sent out in the same manner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement association resolution regarding
>>>>>>>>>> domain registration data
>>>>>>>>>> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:40
>>>>>>>>>> From: cgomes at verisign.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com> <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>>>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>,
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you invite them Ayden. If you are
>>>>>>>>>> bothered by the fact that I asked staff to
>>>>>>>>>> contact the association I will cancel my request
>>>>>>>>>> of staff and encourage others to do that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Ayden Férdeline [mailto:icann at ferdeline.com]
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 2:15 PM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>;
>>>>>>>>>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>;
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>>>>>>> international law enforcement association
>>>>>>>>>> resolution regarding domain registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If we are going to send an invite letter to this
>>>>>>>>>> organisation requesting their participation, I am
>>>>>>>>>> happy to provide a list of other organisations
>>>>>>>>>> whose voices are missing from this WG so that
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN staff can invite them to participate as
>>>>>>>>>> well. Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] international
>>>>>>>>>> law enforcement association resolution
>>>>>>>>>> regarding domain registration data
>>>>>>>>>> Local Time: 4 March 2017 7:10 PM
>>>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 4 March 2017 19:10
>>>>>>>>>> From: cgomes at verisign.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>> icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>> vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>>>>>>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very well said Greg.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It seems to me that we should reach out to
>>>>>>>>>> them and invite them to have a representative
>>>>>>>>>> or representatives join our WG.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marika/Lisa – Would one of you please prepare
>>>>>>>>>> an invitation letter and identify who and
>>>>>>>>>> where we should send it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chuck
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>]
>>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan
>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 04, 2017 11:13 AM
>>>>>>>>>> *To:* Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>; Volker
>>>>>>>>>> Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Cc:* RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>>>>>>> international law enforcement association
>>>>>>>>>> resolution regarding domain registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "They can ask for anything they like, it
>>>>>>>>>> is not like it has legal binding status.
>>>>>>>>>> It is a wish list, nothing more..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is no different than any other
>>>>>>>>>> stakeholder (or group of stakeholders). Even
>>>>>>>>>> GAC members. So their input should be
>>>>>>>>>> accepted on an equal footing with any other
>>>>>>>>>> input. There seems to be a curious amount of
>>>>>>>>>> effort devoted to discounting this input,
>>>>>>>>>> much of it based on identity (or opinions
>>>>>>>>>> about that identity) rather than substance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On top of giving due consideration to their
>>>>>>>>>> input, it may also be appropriate to engage
>>>>>>>>>> in outreach and engagement with this
>>>>>>>>>> organization. Participation in the
>>>>>>>>>> multistakeholder process would be more useful
>>>>>>>>>> in the long run vs. issuing resolutions.
>>>>>>>>>> Useful for them, useful for all of us, and
>>>>>>>>>> useful for the process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As an INGO of LE professionals, there may be
>>>>>>>>>> no existing SO/AC that would be an
>>>>>>>>>> appropriate "home" for the IOCP, which makes
>>>>>>>>>> it all the more important that they
>>>>>>>>>> understand they are welcome to participate,
>>>>>>>>>> as well as to communicate in other ways (such
>>>>>>>>>> as resolutions).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 11:54 AM Ayden
>>>>>>>>>> Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +1 Volker
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg]
>>>>>>>>>> international law enforcement
>>>>>>>>>> association resolution regarding
>>>>>>>>>> domain registration data
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Local Time: 3 March 2017 9:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>> UTC Time: 3 March 2017 09:21
>>>>>>>>>> From: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>>>>>>> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good thing that police are law
>>>>>>>>>> "enforcement" not legislators. They
>>>>>>>>>> can ask for anything they like, it is
>>>>>>>>>> not like it has legal binding status.
>>>>>>>>>> It is a wish list, nothing more...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 02.03.2017 um 19:35 schrieb Greg
>>>>>>>>>> Aaron:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The International Association of
>>>>>>>>>> Chiefs of Police (IACP) has
>>>>>>>>>> issued an official resolution
>>>>>>>>>> regarding domain name
>>>>>>>>>> registration data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The resolution requests that
>>>>>>>>>> ICANN and related parties provide
>>>>>>>>>> “continued access to publicly
>>>>>>>>>> available databases concerning
>>>>>>>>>> the allocation of Internet
>>>>>>>>>> resources, and in situations
>>>>>>>>>> where the maintenance of these
>>>>>>>>>> databases may conflict with
>>>>>>>>>> privacy regulation, business
>>>>>>>>>> concerns, or data-mining
>>>>>>>>>> prevention efforts, fully consult
>>>>>>>>>> with the International law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement to assist in the
>>>>>>>>>> resolution of these potential
>>>>>>>>>> conflicts before removing or
>>>>>>>>>> restricting law enforcement
>>>>>>>>>> access to this critical
>>>>>>>>>> information; and… that IACP
>>>>>>>>>> membership coordinate the above
>>>>>>>>>> efforts to achieve the goal of
>>>>>>>>>> providing consistent, equal, and
>>>>>>>>>> uniform access to the
>>>>>>>>>> above-referenced resources for
>>>>>>>>>> all of the international law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement community.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Founded in 1893, the IACP
>>>>>>>>>> (www.iacp.org
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.iacp.org>) is the
>>>>>>>>>> professional association for law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement officers, with
>>>>>>>>>> members in 133 countries
>>>>>>>>>> worldwide, primarily
>>>>>>>>>> leadership-level personnel in
>>>>>>>>>> national, state/provincial, and
>>>>>>>>>> local agencies. "The
>>>>>>>>>> Association's goals are to
>>>>>>>>>> advance the science and art of
>>>>>>>>>> police services; to develop and
>>>>>>>>>> disseminate improved
>>>>>>>>>> administrative, technical and
>>>>>>>>>> operational practices and promote
>>>>>>>>>> their use in police work; to
>>>>>>>>>> foster police cooperation and the
>>>>>>>>>> exchange of information and
>>>>>>>>>> experience among police
>>>>>>>>>> administrators throughout the
>>>>>>>>>> world....and to encourage
>>>>>>>>>> adherence of all police officers
>>>>>>>>>> to high professional standards of
>>>>>>>>>> performance and conduct."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The text of the full resolution
>>>>>>>>>> is below and contains the
>>>>>>>>>> rationales. It notes that loss
>>>>>>>>>> of access to the currently
>>>>>>>>>> available data “would severely
>>>>>>>>>> cripple or eliminate the ability
>>>>>>>>>> of law enforcement agencies to
>>>>>>>>>> conduct investigation in a timely
>>>>>>>>>> manner.”
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The document is attached, and
>>>>>>>>>> also at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.theiacp.org/Resolutions>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I kindly request that this be
>>>>>>>>>> added to our bank of reference
>>>>>>>>>> materials. (Thanks, Lisa and
>>>>>>>>>> Michelle.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Support for Law Enforcement
>>>>>>>>>> Access to Publicly Available and
>>>>>>>>>> Accurate Internet Address
>>>>>>>>>> Registration Data to include
>>>>>>>>>> privacy protected registrant
>>>>>>>>>> information and related Forensic
>>>>>>>>>> Resources to facilitate
>>>>>>>>>> investigation of Cybercrime and
>>>>>>>>>> Cyber Enabled Crime
>>>>>>>>>> Submitted by: Communications and
>>>>>>>>>> Technology Committee
>>>>>>>>>> CTC.06.t16
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, this is an updated
>>>>>>>>>> version of an expired 2005
>>>>>>>>>> adopted resolution then submitted
>>>>>>>>>> by the Communications and
>>>>>>>>>> Technology Committee as CT23.a05
>>>>>>>>>> and adopted at the 112th Annual
>>>>>>>>>> Conference; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the lawful investigation
>>>>>>>>>> of Internet communications is one
>>>>>>>>>> of the most valuable tools
>>>>>>>>>> available to law enforcement in
>>>>>>>>>> identifying both the perpetrators
>>>>>>>>>> and victims of crime; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Internet is global
>>>>>>>>>> in nature, and as such, poses
>>>>>>>>>> challenges when conducting
>>>>>>>>>> multiagency international
>>>>>>>>>> investigations, including delays
>>>>>>>>>> imposed when obtaining
>>>>>>>>>> international legal process; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, electronic or digital
>>>>>>>>>> evidence associated with the
>>>>>>>>>> Internet is fleeting in nature,
>>>>>>>>>> and law enforcement officials
>>>>>>>>>> must obtain timely access to this
>>>>>>>>>> information to fulfill law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement duties; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, criminals use the
>>>>>>>>>> anonymity and international
>>>>>>>>>> nature of the Internet, and the
>>>>>>>>>> fleeting nature of electronic or
>>>>>>>>>> digital evidence, to thwart law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement investigations; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, publicly available
>>>>>>>>>> databases containing information
>>>>>>>>>> involving the allocation of
>>>>>>>>>> Internet resources and who they
>>>>>>>>>> are assigned to, such as Internet
>>>>>>>>>> Protocol address space and domain
>>>>>>>>>> names, are a critical tool used
>>>>>>>>>> by law enforcement, and because
>>>>>>>>>> these databases are public in
>>>>>>>>>> nature, allow law enforcement
>>>>>>>>>> agencies access to conduct
>>>>>>>>>> investigations in the most timely
>>>>>>>>>> manner possible; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHERAS, allocation of Internet
>>>>>>>>>> resources is expanding rapidly
>>>>>>>>>> due to impending exhaustion of
>>>>>>>>>> Internet Protocol Version 4
>>>>>>>>>> address space and the subsequent
>>>>>>>>>> and simultaneous implementation
>>>>>>>>>> of Internet Protocol Version 6 as
>>>>>>>>>> well as the implementation of
>>>>>>>>>> numerous new top level domains by
>>>>>>>>>> the Internet Corporation for the
>>>>>>>>>> Assigned Names and Numbers
>>>>>>>>>> (ICANN), accurate and easily
>>>>>>>>>> accessible registrant information
>>>>>>>>>> is now even more important to law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement than in 2005 when the
>>>>>>>>>> original resolution was adopted; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, ICANN and its
>>>>>>>>>> International members involved in
>>>>>>>>>> the creation of policy consensus
>>>>>>>>>> and administration of this
>>>>>>>>>> information currently are
>>>>>>>>>> considering new registrant data
>>>>>>>>>> policy which may seek to restrict
>>>>>>>>>> or eliminate fluid public access
>>>>>>>>>> due to business, privacy, or
>>>>>>>>>> data-mining concerns; and
>>>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the elimination or
>>>>>>>>>> restriction of easy fluid access
>>>>>>>>>> to this information would
>>>>>>>>>> severely cripple or eliminate the
>>>>>>>>>> ability of law enforcement
>>>>>>>>>> agencies to conduct investigation
>>>>>>>>>> in a timely manner; now therefore
>>>>>>>>>> be it
>>>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the International
>>>>>>>>>> Association of Chiefs of Police
>>>>>>>>>> (IACP) strongly urges the related
>>>>>>>>>> Internet administration
>>>>>>>>>> communities, including
>>>>>>>>>> governments, regional Internet
>>>>>>>>>> registries, the Internet
>>>>>>>>>> Corporation for Assigned Names
>>>>>>>>>> and Numbers, Internet Service
>>>>>>>>>> Providers, domain-name
>>>>>>>>>> registries, domain-name
>>>>>>>>>> registrars, and Internet service
>>>>>>>>>> providers to assist law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement by providing
>>>>>>>>>> continued access to publicly
>>>>>>>>>> available databases concerning
>>>>>>>>>> the allocation of Internet
>>>>>>>>>> resources, and in situations
>>>>>>>>>> where the maintenance of these
>>>>>>>>>> databases may conflict with
>>>>>>>>>> privacy regulation, business
>>>>>>>>>> concerns, or data-mining
>>>>>>>>>> prevention efforts, fully consult
>>>>>>>>>> with the International law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement to assist in the
>>>>>>>>>> resolution of these potential
>>>>>>>>>> conflicts before removing or
>>>>>>>>>> restricting law enforcement
>>>>>>>>>> access to this critical
>>>>>>>>>> information; and be it
>>>>>>>>>> FURTHER RESOLVED, that the IACP
>>>>>>>>>> membership coordinate the above
>>>>>>>>>> efforts to achieve the goal of
>>>>>>>>>> providing consistent, equal, and
>>>>>>>>>> uniform access to the
>>>>>>>>>> above-referenced resources for
>>>>>>>>>> all of the international law
>>>>>>>>>> enforcement community.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************
>>>>>>>>>> Greg Aaron
>>>>>>>>>> Vice-President, Product Management
>>>>>>>>>> iThreat Cyber Group /
>>>>>>>>>> Cybertoolbelt.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://Cybertoolbelt.com>
>>>>>>>>>> mobile: +1.215.858.2257
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:%28215%29%20858-2257>
>>>>>>>>>> **********************************
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>>>>>>>>>> disclosure. If the reader of this
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>>>>>>>>>> recipient, or an employee or
>>>>>>>>>> agent responsible for delivering
>>>>>>>>>> this message to the intended
>>>>>>>>>> recipient, you are hereby
>>>>>>>>>> notified that any dissemination,
>>>>>>>>>> distribution or copying of this
>>>>>>>>>> communication is strictly
>>>>>>>>>> prohibited. If you have received
>>>>>>>>>> this communication in error,
>>>>>>>>>> please notify us immediately by
>>>>>>>>>> replying to the message and
>>>>>>>>>> deleting it from your computer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>> <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Rechtsabteilung -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:+49%206894%209396901>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:+49%206894%209396851>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Web: www.key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net
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>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> / www.BrandShelter.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Volker A. Greimann
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - legal department -
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Key-Systems GmbH
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:+49%206894%209396901>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:+49%206894%209396851>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Web: www.key-systems.net
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.RRPproxy.net>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.domaindiscount24.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.domaindiscount24.com> / www.BrandShelter.com
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.BrandShelter.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.keydrive.lu <http://www.keydrive.lu>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>> <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> *Greg Shatan***C: 917-816-6428
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:%28917%29%20816-6428>S: gsshatan
>>>>>>>>>> Phone-to-Skype: 646-845-9428
>>>>>>>>>> <tel:%28646%29%20845-9428>
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>> <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>> <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>>>>>>> <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> _________________________________ Note to self: Pillage
>>>>>>>>>> BEFORE burning.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg mailing list gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>>>>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>>>>> <kohnstamm-to-crocker-chehade-06jun13-en.pdf>
>>>>> <schaar-to-cerf-12mar07.pdf>
>>>>> <wp76_en.pdf>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> --
> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - Rechtsabteilung -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
> www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
>
> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>
> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu
>
> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Volker A. Greimann
> - legal department -
>
> Key-Systems GmbH
> Im Oberen Werk 1
> 66386 St. Ingbert
> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>
> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
> www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
>
> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>
> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>
> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
> www.keydrive.lu
>
> This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email. You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone.
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