[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Reputation systems are not just nice to have (was Re: What we want redux)

[Victoria Sheckler]

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-----Original Message-----
From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aaron
Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2017 6:07 PM
To: Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org>; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Reputation systems are not just nice to have (was Re: What we want redux)

I assume that the EFF (or its Internet service provider, Unwired) uses reputation systems to filter the EFF's email and keep malware, phishing, and spam from reaching the EFF staff.  Just like every other enterprise out there.

Recently the EFF has been worried about malware and phishing attacks against NGOs, and has been a proponent of patching compromised machines that are being used to attack other people.  Reputation systems are what people use to protect themselves and their networks against such things.  

Would the DNS work without reputation systems?  That is the wrong question, a reductio ad absurdum.  A DNS without any users is worthless.  Reputation systems are one of the things that keeps the Internet usable.

Domain names exist in order to enable communication.  And in the DNS, people can send you whatever packets they want to, whether you want it or not.   Users need to decide what traffic they wish to accept, and part of that is understanding what the sender or origin is.  And some of those senders want to do us, and the people we wish to protect, great harm.

All best,
--Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm
Sent: Friday, September 29, 2017 2:57 PM
To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Reputation systems are not just nice to have (was Re: What we want redux)

On 29/9/17 11:44 am, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
> Since we are making policy for a system that is used in support of 
> domain name operation, we need to make that support work for all the 
> parts of the operations in question.  One of the operations in 
> question is various reputation systems, so I think it is not optional 
> for us to support that functionality.

I disagree, I think that a case can be made that reputation systems are important, but they're not essential to the operation of the DNS.  You might as easily say that because advertising revenue is also used "in support of domain name operation", we need to make sure that the DNS supports that.  There are lots of different working parts of the Internet ecosystem that make our online experience better, including voluntary reputation systems, but would the DNS still work without them?  Yes.

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Jeremy Malcolm
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