[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Reputation systems are not just nice to have (was Re: What we want redux)

Mon Oct 9 08:42:57 UTC 2017

Ultimately, it is the choice of the users of such services whether they 
want to break their internet. If they chose to limit their own access to 
what their reputation provider (rightly or mistakenly) tells them to be 
safe, they will have to live with the results. And if that means losing 
business because important emails do not reach them, that is part of 
their choice.

Best,

Volker

Am 29.09.2017 um 21:23 schrieb Greg Shatan:
> ICANN's job description is not merely to make the DNS "work."  It is 
> to make it secure, stable and resilient, and to promote trust in the 
> DNS and, by extension, the Internet.
>
> And, as Allison points out, barely "works" or "works" until it doesn't 
> or "works" for some, are not even valid definitions of "works."
>
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 3:14 PM allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com 
> <mailto:elsakoo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think the differentiator here is that getting a thumbs-up from a
>     reputation system is necessary for DNS to work on many networks.
>     If all the advertisers in the world hated my domain, it still
>     functions perfectly. If one major reputation system doesn't like
>     my domain, I'm in a world of pain.
>
>     The similarity here is that both advertising and reputation
>     systems feed of data from DNS to function better.
>
>     However I very much disagree that DNS will work without online
>     reputation/blocking systems. And my reasoning for this goes back
>     to the original problem these systems are designed to address.
>     Blocking systems don't just make my online experience better. They
>     allow me to have an online experience in the first place. The Dyn
>     DDOS attack last year was a pretty good example of Internet abuse
>     breaking DNS. Wannacry broke much more than DNS for many people.
>     Systems to protect computers have become just as vital to the
>     functioning of computers as the fundamental protocol specs themselves.
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org
>     <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>
>         On 29/9/17 11:44 am, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
>         > Since we are making policy for a system that is used in
>         support of
>         > domain name operation, we need to make that support work for
>         all the
>         > parts of the operations in question.  One of the operations in
>         > question is various reputation systems, so I think it is not
>         optional
>         > for us to support that functionality.
>
>         I disagree, I think that a case can be made that reputation
>         systems are
>         important, but they're not essential to the operation of the
>         DNS.  You
>         might as easily say that because advertising revenue is also
>         used "in
>         support of domain name operation", we need to make sure that
>         the DNS
>         supports that.  There are lots of different working parts of the
>         Internet ecosystem that make our online experience better,
>         including
>         voluntary reputation systems, but would the DNS still work without
>         them?  Yes.
>
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