[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest

Mon Oct 23 08:23:14 UTC 2017

When it comes to what may or may not be offensive, ultimately that does 
not matter. Your personal feeling about a law do not enter into its 
relevance. You may not like it, but it exists. I am sure many companies 
find certain overreaching US laws offensive as well, for example the 
rules with regard to sanctions, but thy are effectiver and applicable 
nontheless.

Be offended by European law as much as you want, but when you calm down 
again, please note that offense does not have a part in the process of 
making a legally compliant policy.

Best,

volker

Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
> Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that among other 
> things, the notion the EU law should reign supreme globally even when 
> it conflicts with local laws as patently offensive, among other things.
>
> Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to achieve by 
> insinuating that I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of paperwork 
> generated by this group? I mean besides the continual, consistent, and 
> vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in anti-abuse or security?
>
> And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it is this: it is 
> always better to take the word of the regulators over merely that of 
> some lawfirm. Which is what I thought we were actually talking about 
> in the first place.
>
>
>
> -- 
> John Bambenek
>
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> Have you read the legal memo that we received from Wilson Sonsini 
>> Goodrich & Rosati?
>>
>> It states on page 14, "asking for consent would not be simple, would 
>> not solve all data protection issues, and would pose a number of 
>> organizational challenges."
>>
>> The rationale behind this statement is contained within the memo.
>>
>> —Ayden
>>
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of 
>>> interest
>>> Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM
>>> UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06
>>> From: jcb at bambenekconsulting.com <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>
>>> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>> Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com <mailto:vsheckler at riaa.com>>, 
>>> GNSO RDS PDP <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org 
>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>
>>> So, in short, if we create a consent system, we are fine.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Bambenek
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>>>> I would like to flag two extracts from this Regulation that may be 
>>>> relevant to our work:
>>>>
>>>>   * "The Registry should also comply with the relevant data
>>>>     protection rules, principles, guidelines and best practices,
>>>>     notably concerning the amount and type of data displayed in the
>>>>     WHOIS database." (page 3)
>>>>   * "The WHOIS database shall contain information about the holder
>>>>     of a domain name that is relevant and not excessive in relation
>>>>     to the purpose of the database. In as far as the information is
>>>>     not strictly necessary in relation to the purpose of the
>>>>     database, and *if the domain name holder is a natural person,
>>>>     the information that is to be made publicly available shall be
>>>>     subject to the unambiguous consent of the domain name holder*."
>>>>     (page 10 - emphasis added)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
>>>>> Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM
>>>>> UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47
>>>>> From: vsheckler at riaa.com <mailto:vsheckler at riaa.com>
>>>>> To: GNSO RDS PDP <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org 
>>>>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we missed this document when we were reviewing documents 
>>>>> for this WG back in the day, and thought some of you might find it 
>>>>> of interest given our current discussions on GDPR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> COMMISSION REGULATION (EC) No 874/2004 of 28 April 2004 laying 
>>>>> down public policy rules concerning the implementation and 
>>>>> functions of the .eu Top Level Domain and the principles governing 
>>>>> registration, available at 
>>>>> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF
>>>>>
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