[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest

Tue Oct 24 19:21:16 UTC 2017

Volker,

Your comparison to US laws regarding sanctions (brief reminder: many, many
countries have sanctions of various forms) serves to point out the
difference in the community's approach to OFAC sanctions vs. GDPR.

When it came to US law regarding sanctions (brief reminder: many, many
countries have sanctions of various forms), the CCWG Accountability
Jurisdiction Subgroup came together in a robust discussion and have
recommended a series of concrete steps to minimize the effect of OFAC
sanctions on registries, registrars, registrants, and applicants to be
registries and registrars.  I don't think there was anyone trying to pull
the group in the other direction -- lauding sanctions laws and regulations,
telling affected parties to live with it, etc., etc.  (Some felt that we
did not go far enough, but that's a different point.) We came together to
resolve problems and that's what our recommendations do.  If we could take
that approach, we'd be much better off.

Greg

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 4:23 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
wrote:

> When it comes to what may or may not be offensive, ultimately that does
> not matter. Your personal feeling about a law do not enter into its
> relevance. You may not like it, but it exists. I am sure many companies
> find certain overreaching US laws offensive as well, for example the rules
> with regard to sanctions, but thy are effectiver and applicable nontheless.
>
> Be offended by European law as much as you want, but when you calm down
> again, please note that offense does not have a part in the process of
> making a legally compliant policy.
>
> Best,
>
> volker
>
> Am 21.10.2017 um 02:27 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>
> Yes, I believe I pointed out on this very list that among other things,
> the notion the EU law should reign supreme globally even when it conflicts
> with local laws as patently offensive, among other things.
>
> Is there a particular outcome that you are trying to achieve by
> insinuating that I am ignorant and not reading the mounds of paperwork
> generated by this group? I mean besides the continual, consistent, and
> vigorous disrespect shown to those who work in anti-abuse or security?
>
> And if you’d like an analysis of the legal memo it is this: it is always
> better to take the word of the regulators over merely that of some lawfirm.
> Which is what I thought we were actually talking about in the first place.
>
>
>
> --
> John Bambenek
>
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 19:10, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Have you read the legal memo that we received from Wilson Sonsini Goodrich
> & Rosati?
>
> It states on page 14, "asking for consent would not be simple, would not
> solve all data protection issues, and would pose a number of organizational
> challenges."
>
> The rationale behind this statement is contained within the memo.
>
> —Ayden
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
> Local Time: 21 October 2017 1:06 AM
> UTC Time: 21 October 2017 00:06
> From: jcb at bambenekconsulting.com
> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com>, GNSO RDS PDP <
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
> So, in short, if we create a consent system, we are fine.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
> --
> John Bambenek
>
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 17:31, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to flag two extracts from this Regulation that may be
> relevant to our work:
>
>    - "The Registry should also comply with the relevant data protection
>    rules, principles, guidelines and best practices, notably concerning the
>    amount and type of data displayed in the WHOIS database." (page 3)
>    - "The WHOIS database shall contain information about the holder of a
>    domain name that is relevant and not excessive in relation to the purpose
>    of the database. In as far as the information is not strictly necessary in
>    relation to the purpose of the database, and *if the domain name
>    holder is a natural person, the information that is to be made publicly
>    available shall be subject to the unambiguous consent of the domain name
>    holder*." (page 10 - emphasis added)
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ayden Férdeline
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] another document that might be of interest
> Local Time: 20 October 2017 10:47 PM
> UTC Time: 20 October 2017 21:47
> From: vsheckler at riaa.com
> To: GNSO RDS PDP <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>
>
> I think we missed this document when we were reviewing documents for this
> WG back in the day, and thought some of you might find it of interest given
> our current discussions on GDPR
>
>
>
> COMMISSION REGULATION (EC) No 874/2004 of 28 April 2004 laying down public
> policy rules concerning the implementation and functions of the .eu Top
> Level Domain and the principles governing registration, available at
> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=
> CONSLEG:2004R0874:20051011:EN:PDF
>
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