[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] More mandatory reading in preparation for ICANN AD

Thu Oct 26 19:28:57 UTC 2017

And I am not the person who can change things here.

Again
We need to balance privacy and abuse.

Build cases not statements.

Theo

On 26-10-2017 19:25, John Bambenek wrote:
> I am not shooting anyone. Just making my point.
>
> -- 
> John Bambenek
>
> On Oct 26, 2017, at 19:24, Theo <gtheo at xs4all.nl 
> <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>
>> Mark my words John,
>>
>> Don't shoot the messenger here.
>>
>> Theo
>>
>> Verzonden vanaf mijn Windows 10-telefoon
>>
>> *Van: *John Bambenek <mailto:jcb at bambenekconsulting.com>
>> *Verzonden: *donderdag 26 oktober 2017 19:06
>> *Aan: *Theo Geurts <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>
>> *CC: *Volker Greimann <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>; 
>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> *Onderwerp: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] More mandatory reading in 
>> preparation for ICANN AD
>>
>> That is not impossible. I disagree there are 25 checkboxes any more 
>> than there will be 25 checkboxes needed to post a tweet.
>>
>> The checkbox is “this information will be in a public database and 
>> accessible world-wide so others can verify domain ownership and 
>> contact you. If you don’t like this, click private registration now.”
>>
>> There is no need to overcomplicate a simple issue.
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Bambenek
>>
>> > On Oct 26, 2017, at 18:51, Theo Geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl 
>> <mailto:gtheo at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > John,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Let's see.
>>
>> > Escrow requirements Registry/Registrar.
>>
>> > Country depended/Company depended and security level depended.
>>
>> > Data retention spec (tons of data gathered there)
>>
>> > ICANN, running several WHOIS programs in conjunction with 
>> third-party vendors by GAC marching orders.
>>
>> > WHOIS data being processed by unknown third parties given its 
>> current public access.
>>
>> > Over a 1000 TLDs scattered over all over the globe.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > A simple gTLD registration will require a registrant to click at 
>> least 25 checkboxes to consent too.
>>
>> > This is a conservative prediction and not meant to tick off WG members.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Theo Geurts
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> On 26-10-2017 18:34, John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg wrote:
>>
>> >> Exactly how does this document say that consent is practically 
>> impossible when my reading of it provides guidance of how such 
>> consent could be achieved?
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> As far as private by default, SHOULD is not MUST. The document 
>> doesn’t say that’s a hard requirement.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> --
>>
>> >> John Bambenek
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> On Oct 26, 2017, at 16:01, Volker Greimann 
>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> The Council of Europe has just published a guide on privacy and 
>> data protection principles specifically for ICANN related data 
>> processing.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> TL;DR:
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 1) Data controller needs to define twofold purposes for 
>> processing; a) related to policy; b) for contracted parties and their 
>> agreements with data subjects.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 2) Data controller is fully liable for all data processing 
>> performed in accordance with purpose statement in compliance with all 
>> applicable laws.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 3) Data processed for purposes not included in purpose statement 
>> is unlawful.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 4) Data processing must be limited by guiding principles of 
>> necessity, proportionality and purpose limitation
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 5) Data processing based on consent is practically impossible in 
>> ICANN context.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 6) Personal data must not be stored for longer than absolutely 
>> necessary for the legitimate purpose pursued.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 7) ICANN needs formal data transfer policy for trans-border 
>> transfers.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> 8) Privacy by design and default as basis for all processing 
>> considerations.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> --
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