[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Calling it quits

[jonathan matkowsky]

The courts rely on the false or inaccurate contact information as
additional evidence of bad faith. Ironically, I once had a case where John
Horton’s identity was used. Clearly such information is needed. Whether
gated or not. And there are WIPO decisions in fact discussing Mickey Mouse
registrations specifically from what I seem to recall.

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:47 AM John Horton <john.horton at legitscript.com>
wrote:

> Just remember that the fact that the information is bogus is, itself,
> important and useful in some cases. In our work with banks and payment
> providers, that's considered a high-risk factor at a minimum, and may
> actually bar an account being provided in other cases (unless it's
> genuinely Mickey Mouse, of course! He should always have a merchant
> account.). So, in that case, it's important not just to correlate but to
> specifically know what the Whois is, if you will. Banks and payment
> providers, and those of us who help them assess and monitor merchants for
> potentially useful information to prevent money laundering and similar
> activity, need to know the information currently contained in the Whois
> record to assess who actually has control rights over the domain name or if
> it's bogus, etc.
>
> Neil, whatever, man. :) Good luck!
>
> John Horton
> President and CEO, LegitScript
>
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> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:25 AM, Rubens Kuhl <rubensk at nic.br> wrote:
>
>> I've been involved in abuse fighting for quite some time, and my interest
>> in WHOIS data was to correlate objects, not to get the information behind
>> one of them, since that information was bogus, mostly.
>>
>> So I understand why IP concerns want access to actual WHOIS data, but for
>> anti-*, a simple related query could be enough. So instead of knowing if
>> phishing.com belongs to Mickey Mouse, you could access
>> rdap.registrar.com/phishing.com?related=yes and know that the same
>> registrant has also registered farming.com, banknameaccounts.com so now
>> you can expand the investigation into those objects.
>>
>> Knowing that Mickey Mouse registered those domain could bring me some
>> laughs, but no actionable intelligence.
>>
>>
>> Rubens
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:27 PM, Neil Schwartzman <neil at cauce.org> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I've decided to withdraw from this and other anti-abuse groups. My best
>> wishes on a successful conclusion to the critically important work you do
>> here. Please don’t mess it up for anti-abuse researchers! For real - our
>> work is what keeps the Internet running, whether you know it, appreciate
>> it, care about it. or not. I am much inclined to believe you do care.
>>
>> We need access to WHOIS as is, or same level of access of WHOIS
>> WHATWILLBE.
>>
>> this might be some credentialed, qualified paid access, but please
>> believe me - we Antis aren’t just saying this to be trenchant. Any strident
>> comments come from a fear for all of our future without this cornerstone to
>> our work. I was going to cobble together a use of WHOIS in my work for a
>> day and it took so long because I use it so much, the thing ended up at
>> several tens of thousands of words, and was really boring to read.
>>
>> Anything less, and things will become an even bigger sewer than it
>> already is. I know you all care, from different angles, so please do bear
>> these words in mind. You argue amongst yourselves, from a position of
>> personal belief in the great goodness this thing of ours has inherent to
>> it. It is a good thing, a great thing, and I intent to use that greatness.
>>
>> I’ve decided to tackle an easier project; rather than dealing with WHOIS
>> @ ICANN, I’m going to try to bring peace to the Middle East.
>>
>> Read all about it: HATE: The Reason I Quit Spamfighting
>> <https://medium.com/@neilschwartzman/hate-the-reason-i-quit-spamfighting-866a162d5629>
>>
>>
>> Yours truly,
>>
>>
>> Neil Schwartzman
>> Executive Director
>> Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email
>> http://cauce.org
>> Tel : (303) 800-6345
>> Twitter : @cauce
>>
>>
>>
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