[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] [OFF TOPIC] Hard to push for transparency, unless it starts at the top..

benny at nordreg.se benny at nordreg.se
Tue Oct 31 15:06:45 UTC 2017


But they do if you look ask there whois server

What you get in return are Verisign's answer which are not the one you shall look.. 
There are NO obligation for registrars to fill in this yet as long as data are NOT moved to Verisign



whois REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
% IANA WHOIS server
% for more information on IANA, visit http://www.iana.org
% This query returned 1 object

refer:        whois.verisign-grs.com

domain:       COM

organisation: VeriSign Global Registry Services
address:      12061 Bluemont Way
address:      Reston Virginia 20190
address:      United States

contact:      administrative
name:         Registry Customer Service
organisation: VeriSign Global Registry Services
address:      12061 Bluemont Way
address:      Reston Virginia 20190
address:      United States
phone:        +1 703 925-6999
fax-no:       +1 703 948 3978
e-mail:       info at verisign-grs.com

contact:      technical
name:         Registry Customer Service
organisation: VeriSign Global Registry Services
address:      12061 Bluemont Way
address:      Reston Virginia 20190
address:      United States
phone:        +1 703 925-6999
fax-no:       +1 703 948 3978
e-mail:       info at verisign-grs.com

nserver:      A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.5.6.30 2001:503:a83e:0:0:0:2:30
nserver:      B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.33.14.30 2001:503:231d:0:0:0:2:30
nserver:      C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.26.92.30 2001:503:83eb:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.31.80.30 2001:500:856e:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.12.94.30 2001:502:1ca1:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.35.51.30 2001:503:d414:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.42.93.30 2001:503:eea3:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      H.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.54.112.30 2001:502:8cc:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.43.172.30 2001:503:39c1:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.48.79.30 2001:502:7094:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.52.178.30 2001:503:d2d:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      L.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.41.162.30 2001:500:d937:0:0:0:0:30
nserver:      M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET 192.55.83.30 2001:501:b1f9:0:0:0:0:30
ds-rdata:     30909 8 2 E2D3C916F6DEEAC73294E8268FB5885044A833FC5459588F4A9184CFC41A5766

whois:        whois.verisign-grs.com

status:       ACTIVE
remarks:      Registration information: http://www.verisigninc.com

created:      1985-01-01
changed:      2017-10-05
source:       IANA

   Domain Name: REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
   Registry Domain ID: 1326800137_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
   Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
   Registrar URL: http://www.enom.com
   Updated Date: 2017-10-19T15:09:30Z
   Creation Date: 2007-11-08T15:04:30Z
   Registry Expiry Date: 2018-11-08T15:04:30Z
   Registrar: eNom, Inc.
   Registrar IANA ID: 48
   Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
   Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
   Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
   Name Server: A1.VERISIGNDNS.COM
   Name Server: A2.VERISIGNDNS.COM
   Name Server: A3.VERISIGNDNS.COM
   DNSSEC: unsigned
   URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> Last update of whois database: 2017-10-31T15:03:50Z <<<



Domain Name: REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1326800137_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Updated Date: 2017-10-10T01:10:02.00Z
Creation Date: 2007-11-08T15:04:30.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-11-08T15:04:00.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Reseller: NAMECHEAP, INC
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID: 
Registrant Name: NAMECHEAP.COM NAMECHEAP.COM
Registrant Organization: NAMECHEAP, INC
Registrant Street: 4600 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, SUITE 305
Registrant City: PHOENIX
Registrant State/Province: AZ
Registrant Postal Code: 85034
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.6613102107
Registrant Phone Ext: 
Registrant Fax: +1.6613102107
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM
Registry Admin ID: 
Admin Name: NAMECHEAP.COM NAMECHEAP.COM
Admin Organization: NAMECHEAP, INC
Admin Street: 4600 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, SUITE 305
Admin City: PHOENIX
Admin State/Province: AZ
Admin Postal Code: 85034
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.6613102107
Admin Phone Ext: 
Admin Fax: +1.6613102107
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM
Registry Tech ID: 
Tech Name: NAMECHEAP.COM NAMECHEAP.COM
Tech Organization: NAMECHEAP, INC
Tech Street: 4600 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, SUITE 305
Tech City: PHOENIX
Tech State/Province: AZ
Tech Postal Code: 85034
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.6613102107
Tech Phone Ext: 
Tech Fax: +1.6613102107
Tech Fax Ext: 
Tech Email: SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM
Name Server: A1.VERISIGNDNS.COM
Name Server: A2.VERISIGNDNS.COM
Name Server: A3.VERISIGNDNS.COM
DNSSEC: unSigned
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at enom.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2017-10-10T01:10:02.00Z <<<




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Med vänliga hälsningar / Kind Regards / Med vennlig hilsen

Benny Samuelsen
Registry Manager - Domainexpert

Nordreg AB - ICANN accredited registrar
IANA-ID: 638
Phone: +46.42197080
Direct: +47.32260201
Mobile: +47.40410200

> On 31 Oct 2017, at 16:02, Michael Peddemors <michael at linuxmagic.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, of course.. those of us in the industry might know to check ARIN, however the domain maintainer information is supposed to also be easily available, and most CAN-SPAM legislations and guidelines also specify those requirements.
> 
> The ordinary person though should be able to get this information to report abuse.
> 
> But the real point is/was.. when even a registrar doesn't provide abuse information for their own company via whois.. We won't expect them to worry about customers transparency.
> 
> >>     Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
> >>     Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
> 
> 
> On 17-10-30 12:53 PM, pkngrds at klos.net wrote:
>> On 10/30/2017 2:24 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote:
>>> This happened to come across the desk..
>>> 
>>> SpamAuditor's reporting spam..
>>> 
>>> Received: from host16.registrar-servers.com (HELO host16.registrar-servers.com) (198.54.115.245)
>>> 
>>> Obvious choice would be to contact their abuse department..
>>> 
>>> whois registrar-servers.com
>>> 
>>>    Domain Name: REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
>>>    Registry Domain ID: 1326800137_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
>>>    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
>> Use the WHOIS server listed to get more information about the domain:
>>    Domain Name: REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
>>    Registry Domain ID: 1326800137_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
>>    Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
>>    Registrar URL: www.enom.com
>>    Updated Date: 2017-10-10T01:10:02.00Z
>>    Creation Date: 2007-11-08T15:04:30.00Z
>>    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2018-11-08T15:04:00.00Z
>>    Registrar: ENOM, INC.
>>    Registrar IANA ID: 48
>>    Reseller: NAMECHEAP, INC
>>    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
>>    https://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransfer
>>    Prohibited
>>    Registry Registrant ID:
>>    Registrant Name: NAMECHEAP.COM NAMECHEAP.COM
>>    Registrant Organization: NAMECHEAP, INC
>>    Registrant Street: 4600 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, SUITE 305
>>    Registrant City: PHOENIX
>>    Registrant State/Province: AZ
>>    Registrant Postal Code: 85034
>>    Registrant Country: US
>>    Registrant Phone: +1.6613102107
>>    Registrant Phone Ext:
>>    Registrant Fax: +1.6613102107
>>    Registrant Fax Ext:
>>    Registrant Email: SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM
>>    Registry Admin ID:
>>    Admin Name: NAMECHEAP.COM NAMECHEAP.COM
>>    Admin Organization: NAMECHEAP, INC
>>    Admin Street: 4600 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, SUITE 305
>>    Admin City: PHOENIX
>>    Admin State/Province: AZ
>>    Admin Postal Code: 85034
>>    Admin Country: US
>>    Admin Phone: +1.6613102107
>>    Admin Phone Ext:
>>    Admin Fax: +1.6613102107
>>    Admin Fax Ext:
>>    Admin Email: SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM
>>    Registry Tech ID:
>>    Tech Name: NAMECHEAP.COM NAMECHEAP.COM
>>    Tech Organization: NAMECHEAP, INC
>>    Tech Street: 4600 EAST WASHINGTON STREET, SUITE 305
>>    Tech City: PHOENIX
>>    Tech State/Province: AZ
>>    Tech Postal Code: 85034
>>    Tech Country: US
>>    Tech Phone: +1.6613102107
>>    Tech Phone Ext:
>>    Tech Fax: +1.6613102107
>>    Tech Fax Ext:
>>    Tech Email: SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM
>>    Name Server: A1.VERISIGNDNS.COM
>>    Name Server: A2.VERISIGNDNS.COM
>>    Name Server: A3.VERISIGNDNS.COM
>>    DNSSEC: unSigned
>>    Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse at enom.com
>>    Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4252982646
>>    URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System:
>>    http://wdprs.internic.net/
>> That implies 'SUPPORT at NAMECHEAP.COM', not that you would get any satisfaction from them - they seem to be more interested in letting bad guys run rampant on their servers than doing a little bit of work to find the problem and fix it!
>> As someone else suggested, use WHOIS on the actual IP address and get this:
>>    #
>>    # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>>    # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>>    #
>>    # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>>    # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>>    #
>>    #
>>    # Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be:
>>    #     "n 198.54.115.245"
>>    #
>>    # Use "?" to get help.
>>    #
>>    #
>>    # The following results may also be obtained via:
>>    #
>>    https://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=198.54.115.245?showDetails=true&showARIN=fa
>>    lse&showNonArinTopLevelNet=false&ext=netref2
>>    #
>>    NetRange:       198.54.112.0 - 198.54.127.255
>>    CIDR:           198.54.112.0/20
>>    NetName:        NAMEC-4
>>    NetHandle:      NET-198-54-112-0-1
>>    Parent:         NET198 (NET-198-0-0-0-0)
>>    NetType:        Direct Allocation
>>    OriginAS:
>>    Organization:   Namecheap, Inc. (NAMEC-4)
>>    RegDate:        2015-11-13
>>    Updated:        2015-11-13
>>    Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-198-54-112-0-1
>>    OrgName:        Namecheap, Inc.
>>    OrgId:          NAMEC-4
>>    Address:        11400 W. Olympic Blvd. Suite 200
>>    City:           Los Angeles
>>    StateProv:      CA
>>    PostalCode:     90064
>>    Country:        US
>>    RegDate:        2011-01-28
>>    Updated:        2017-01-28
>>    Ref: https://whois.arin.net/rest/org/NAMEC-4
>>    ReferralServer:  rwhois://whois.namecheaphosting.com:4321
>>    OrgTechHandle: EFIME-ARIN
>>    OrgTechName:   Efimenko, Igor
>>    OrgTechPhone:  +1-323-375-2822
>>    OrgTechEmail: igor.e at namecheap.com
>>    OrgTechRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/EFIME-ARIN
>>    OrgTechHandle: TECHT4-ARIN
>>    OrgTechName:   Tech team
>>    OrgTechPhone:  +1-661-310-2107
>>    OrgTechEmail: tech at namecheaphosting.com
>>    OrgTechRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/TECHT4-ARIN
>>    OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE2885-ARIN
>>    OrgAbuseName:   Abuse team
>>    OrgAbusePhone:  +1-323-375-2822
>>    OrgAbuseEmail: abuse at namecheaphosting.com
>>    OrgAbuseRef: https://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE2885-ARIN
>>    #
>>    # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use
>>    # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html
>>    #
>>    # If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
>>    # https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml
>>    #
>> But that sends you to the same useless company.  :o(
>> Patrick Klos
>> Klos Technologies, Inc.
>>>    Registrar URL:http://www.enom.com
>>>    Updated Date: 2017-10-19T15:09:30Z
>>>    Creation Date: 2007-11-08T15:04:30Z
>>>    Registry Expiry Date: 2018-11-08T15:04:30Z
>>>    Registrar: eNom, Inc.
>>>    Registrar IANA ID: 48
>>>    Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
>>>    Registrar Abuse Contact Phone:
>>>    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibitedhttps://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
>>>    Name Server: A1.VERISIGNDNS.COM
>>>    Name Server: A2.VERISIGNDNS.COM
>>>    Name Server: A3.VERISIGNDNS.COM
>>>    DNSSEC: unsigned
>>>    URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form:https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> 
>>> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
>>> X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host16.registrar-servers.com
>>> X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12]
>>> X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - 2DayCloud.com
>>> X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host16.registrar-servers.com: authenticated_id:info at 2daycloud.com
>>> X-Authenticated-Sender: host16.registrar-servers.com:info at 2daycloud.com
>>> 
>>> So, you tell me.. how would you report this abuse ;)
>>> 
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