[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Thu Feb 15 21:27:20 UTC 2018
This was certainly part of my reasoning....I would like those involved
in ISO privacy standards, who happen to be in Germany and Austria, to be
able to attend. Also a variety of interested DPAs, who I expect are
likely to come from Europe.
cheers Stephanie
On 2018-02-15 16:15, Chris Pelling wrote:
> No issue Chuck, although, June is very optimistic in my opinion simply
> because the month prior - all hell breaks loose with GDPR :) At least
> if we look at October, we can get the info out to as many DPA's as
> poss to get them there, plus, being Barcelona, it will be a lot
> cheaper for the countries to send them to Spain than the other side of
> the world (as governmetns dont like paying for very much to start
> with) :)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Chris
>
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> *From: *"Chuck" <consult at cgomes.com>
> *To: *"Chris Pelling" <chris at netearth.net>
> *Cc: *"Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>,
> "gnso-rds-pdp-wg" <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Sent: *Thursday, 15 February, 2018 21:12:23
> *Subject: *RE: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously
> thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc
>
> My mistake Chris. Thanks for setting me straight. I am probably too
> optimistic, but it would be nice if it could happen in Panama in June.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*Chris Pelling [mailto:chris at netearth.net]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 1:10 PM
> *To:* Chuck <consult at cgomes.com>
> *Cc:* Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>;
> gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously
> thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Barcelona is ICANN 63 in October, in June its ICANN 62 in Panama City
> : https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=icann+meetings+2018&meta=
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Chris
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Chuck" <consult at cgomes.com <mailto:consult at cgomes.com>>
> *To: *"Stephanie Perrin" <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>, "gnso-rds-pdp-wg"
> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> *Sent: *Thursday, 15 February, 2018 18:14:24
> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously
> thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc
>
> Because of the long lead time for scheduling workshops, it’s not too
> early to explore the value of one in Barcelona in June. It would be
> helpful if we could get to our charter question on Gated Access well
> before then if possible.
>
> Chuck
>
> *From:*gnso-rds-pdp-wg [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Stephanie Perrin
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:45 AM
> *To:* gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than previously
> thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax IDs etc
>
> I agree with Sara wholeheartedly. I would like to propose a workshop
> at the Barcelona meeting to discuss accreditation requirements for
> cybersecurity an IP actors who want to retain access to personal data
> in a tiered access solution. Release of data in such a system will
> require standards, and I (as mentioned in Abu, on the public panel on
> GDPR, and in my own comments on the 3 models) I think we should get on
> with developing those standards, preferably ISO standards with
> possibility for independent audit.
>
> Stephanie Perrin
>
> On 2018-02-15 11:34, Sara Bockey wrote:
>
> Our job is now to cooperate in good faith to build a new universal
> system that still fits most needs but also takes data protection
> as its core principle.
>
> EXACTLY! And what’s lacking from most of our conversations are
> SOLUTIONS. We understand that many of you have come to rely on
> various types of data from WHOIS. We get it. We’ve heard you.
> What we have NOT heard is “we understand the changing landscape,
> and while we are concerned about losing X data, perhaps if we do
> Y, we can improve RDS and still have access OR if we do Z, we can
> _________.”
>
> Given the number of really smart people on this list, I am
> frustrated by the lack of innovative, forward thinking. Change
> doesn’t have to be scary. Change can be better - an improvement.
> We need to stop with the myopia. We need to stop looking
> backward. We need to stop demonizing. If you are not saying
> something NEW, something to move this PDP forward, you are part of
> the problem.
>
> Sara
>
> *sara bockey*
>
> *sr. policy manager | **Go**Daddy^™ *
>
> *sbockey at godaddy.com <mailto:sbockey at godaddy.com> 480-366-3616*
>
> *skype: sbockey*
>
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> *From: *gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Volker
> Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 4:30 AM
> *To: *Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org"
> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
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> *Subject: *Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Equifax hack worse than
> previously thought: Biz kissed goodbye to card expiry dates, tax
> IDs etc
>
> That would be problematic, as you should know, since there is no
> clear cut line of what would constitute over-enforcement or
> under-enforcement. Well, the latter will resolve itself due to the
> incoming DPA actions.
>
> I also never heard of fees to be paid into a fund by those simply
> trying to remain compliant with their applicable laws.
>
> Contracted parties have been stating for years, if not over a
> decade that publication whois details in the current form and
> shape is problematic from a data protection perspective. We have
> repeatedly tried to drive home the point that the current system
> is not sustainable. We were ignored or ridiculed, or asked to get
> sued to prove our point. Now that we are forced to take action,
> everybody is protesting as if this were something new. It is not.
> Now we have to do a short-term fix, that will hurt more than it
> would have needed to if everyone had cooperated in good faith to
> reform whois years ago. The status quo will change.
>
> Our job is now to cooperate in good faith to build a new universal
> system that still fits most needs but also takes data protection
> as its core principle.
>
> Volker out!
>
> Am 15.02.2018 um 05:14 schrieb Greg Shatan:
>
> In a similar vein, ICANN could establish an “Over-enforce the
> GDPR Fund,” in which everyone who thinks the GDPR’s data
> blackout should be extended to the data of non-EU and legal
> persons would pay in, and it would be used to defray the
> expenses incurred by those who should have access to
> information and instead must expend additional time, money and
> effort, and often incur additional harm, due GDPR
> over-enforcement.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:03 AM Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> wrote:
>
> Maybe you are hitting on something here.
>
> ICANN could just establish a "Leave-Whois-as-it-is" legal
> defense fund. Everyone who argues that whois should remain
> as it is has to pay into that fund and everyone who is
> fined by data protection violations can take the fines and
> their legal costs out of that fund. Of course, that would
> necessitate huge investments to set up the fund from
> mainly volunteer organizations that do not actually have
> the means to support it.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
> Am 14.02.2018 um 02:21 schrieb Rubens Kuhl:
>
>
>
> On 13 Feb 2018, at 20:32, John Horton
> <john.horton at legitscript.com<mailto:john.horton at legitscript.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rubens -- I don't agree with that
> interpretation. (I think you mean the Q&A memo
> Section 2, right?) See memo
> here<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-memorandum-part2-18dec17-en.pdf>.
> Let me know if you meant the first or a different
> one.
>
> It's exactly that memo.
>
> Since you don't agree, does that mean that your
> organisation is willing to pay every GDPR fine
> contracted parties get from following your
> interpretation ? Because if you are unwilling to do
> that, then your belief in that interpretation is not
> rock solid.
>
> What I can tell you is that this risk has been flagged
> by that paper, by the eco model and by internal
> analysis of some registries, all independently of each
> other; which means you will likely see a good number
> of contracted parties following exactly the path I
> outlined in order to mitigate this risk.
>
> If you see things differently, get Europeans DPAs to
> put that in writing, and we are all good to go.
>
> Rubens
>
>
>
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