[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] The Whois roles are not well defined

Tue Feb 20 17:56:42 UTC 2018

Depends on the agreement. It can be legitimate use of the data, if it is framed properly. For clarity, we do not market to our registrants, we market to our customers and we declare in advance we will do so.

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Volker

> On 17. Feb 2018, at 01:16, Chen, Tim <tim at domaintools.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Volker,
> 
> Honest question here, related to this line at the end of your email below:
> 
> "Of course some registrars use these data points for other purposes such as upselling, but I'd consider that an ancillary use."
> 
> I'm interpreting this to mean some registrars may be using data collected for the purpose of meeting the Whois obligation, for "upselling" other services to the registrant later on.  Maybe mailing them an advert for hosting services or something.  If that is an incorrect interpretation then the question below is probably off target.
> 
> Would it be accurate to state that using the Whois data, collected for the purpose of the domain registration, for upselling other services (even though done by the registrar itself) is possibly a violation of GDPR?  
> 
> Tim
> 
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 5:41 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
> Hi Steve, 
> interesting indeed. As registrar, we only need the registrant contact, and potentially the admin contact, if the registrant choses to employ a third party for their domain management. Billing and tech contacts are irrelevant to most of us, we rather look at the account details of our customer for billing, as Michele points out.
> 
> From my experience, most registrants use the same details for all contacts anyhow, just to fill them. 
> As for what goes into these contacts, for our business purposes, we actually only need Registrant name and Organization (if applicable), as well as their email address. In some rare cases, we may need the phone number and even rarer cases the postal address for verification purposes, but for 99.99% of registrations, these are newer used by registrars for the provision of the service itself. Of course some registrars use these data points for other purposes such as upselling, but I'd consider that an ancillary use.
> Best,
> 
> Volker
> 
> Am 16.02.2018 um 13:14 schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>> Steve
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>> You raise some interesting points.
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>> In another forum there was discussion around some of the current roles used in whois and how they change. The data from several very large registrars showed that more than 95% of domains have the same contact for all roles.
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>> I’d fundamentally disagree with your comment about the billing contact in whois. For most registrars (as noted above) it’s just a field that gets populated and isn’t used for anything.
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>> If we want to reach the person who pays us we use what we have in our billing systems, which could easily be something completely different.
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>> As for DNS operators – giving them an expanded role as you are suggesting (and not for the first time) has much wider implications than whois. While it might be something that is worth exploring I’m not sure that here is the best place to do it, as it opens up a rather large can of worms in relation to contractual relationships etc.,
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>> Regards
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>> Michele
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