[gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History

Jon Nevett jon at donuts.email
Tue Jan 3 19:30:31 UTC 2017 

Thanks for sharing Phil and Doug.

This case is an interesting data point of a brand holder deciding to use the URS over the UDRP.  We developed the RPMs with the hope that brand holders would utilize the RPMs that made the most sense to them to protect their brands.  The URS was developed for slam-dunk cases of infringement.  We wanted to create a quicker and less costly way to take down infringing domain names.  There was a deliberate distinction between the standard of proof and remedies with the URS and the UDRP.  If these distinctions didn't exist, there would not have been a purpose for the URS.  It would be interesting to understand why a brand holder like this one selected to use the URS over the UDRP -- and especially whether they understood the risk that Kiran mentioned.

Look forward to the discussion at the appropriate time.

Best,

Jon



> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:13 PM, <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com> <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com> wrote:
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> How does one decision signify whether a particular RPM is under, over, or appropriately utilized? I think this can only be determined / analyzed in the aggregate.
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Jonathan Frost <jonathan at get.club<mailto:jonathan at get.club>> wrote:
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> I have to agree with Reg here.  One argument I’ve heard against URS working is that it is underutilized, and cases like this seem to undermine that argument (although no single case or outcome should be considered dispositive).
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> From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Reg Levy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:35 PM
> To: Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com<mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>>
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> Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
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> My point was that a matter was successfully brought under the RPMs (my point would stand for matters unsuccessfully brought under the RPMs). That cybersquatting exists is not in dispute. Nor is it our—or ICANN’s—job to cause cybersquatting to no longer exist. The matter was a URS, which was a new-to-new-gTLDs RPM and (supposedly) cheaper than the UDRP.
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> If this does not signify that RPMs work, does it signify that they do not?
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> On 3 Jan 2017, at 10:30, Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>> wrote:
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> Agree with Doug and Marc, I would be curious to understand the thinking further.
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> Also, it will be interesting to see what happens to all of these names when the suspension period is over.
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> K
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> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:27 AM, "trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>" <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>> wrote:
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> Agreed. How does one large URS filling indicate that the RPMs are working?
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> On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Doug Isenberg <disenberg at gigalawfirm.com<mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com><mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com>> wrote:
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> As the author of the blog post that Phil shared, I disagree with Reg’s conclusion below (and am quite unsure how that conclusion was reached).  This URS case is interesting because its size makes it unusual (and, indeed, unprecedented).  It is not indicative of any trend about RPMs in general or the URS in particular.  If anything, it is a reminder that there are many domain name registrants – even in the new gTLDs –  who continue to engage in cybersquatting on a large-scale, despite the RPMs such as the URS.
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> Sincerely yours,
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> From: gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org><mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Reg Levy
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> Which seems to indicate that the current RPMs are working.
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> Reg Levy
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> On 3 Jan 2017, at 09:34, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com><mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
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> FYI, on December 21, 2016 NAF suspended 474 DN variants of Ashley Furniture in a single URS filing.
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